(August 7, 2017 at 10:04 pm)johan Wrote:(August 7, 2017 at 8:15 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: This is absolute lunacy to me.
There is no question there is a risk in the act of taking a nude photo. But the same inherent risk exists in buying expensive jewelry and wearing it in public. The same risk in purchasing/driving a car, the same risk in pretty much anything you do.
Correct. We're both saying exactly the same thing. However you seem to have a problem with it so I assume the difference between you and I is that you somehow believe that because everything carries some level of risk, a person therefore for some reason does not need to ever weigh the risk vs the reward and make a decision about whether or not they feel assume said risk is worth it.
Driving is pretty handy thing. And yep, there's risk involved but much of that risk is manageable if I stay sober, keep my vehicle maintained and don't drive recklessly. The risk/reward is there for me. What's the reward for having nudes of yourself? We know what the risks are, but what's the reward? Is it worth it? For me, it isn't and that is why you won't pics of my junk on the net.
Quote:But having nude pictures stolen from a person (whomever it is) is the only thing in that infinite list where (primarily) women get blamed for even having taken them in the first place. There exists somehow in the human zeitgeist that women are to blame for sex happening to them or being taken from them. They are the temptress ("what was she wearing?") or they shouldn't have done something (taken the pictures, worn the dress, gone to the party full of frat bros) that "caused" someone to take from them.Wooh wooh wooh wooh wooh. You are now putting a metric shit ton of words in my mouth that I never said. I do not blame women for stolen pics. Not at all. I do not blame women for sex. Maybe other people do it, but that shit ain't me. Ever.
It's just fucking ludicrous. Of course it's immoral to take from a person you don't know something you don't have consent to take. Period. End of fucking story.
And for the record, the question posed wasn't is immoral to steal photos of others and publish them i.e. commit the crime. The question posed was is it immoral for other people to view them once released. Two TOTALLY different questions with very different answers as far as I'm concerned.
You split my post up into two different sections and responded to them as if they were separate thoughts. I wasn't putting words into your mouth, I was expanding on the previous paragraph. It's a pretty common grammar device. I am going to do it again here.
Besides, if you'd re-read the paragraph where you accused me of putting words in your mouth, you'll see that I did nothing of the sort.
In response to your characterization of my post, I will say that no, in fact I do not think that since everything carries a level of risk, fuck it and don't worry about it. What I was clearly saying is that just because something has risk, that does not mean that someone can be blamed for bad things that happen. I was saying that a woman should never be blamed---and saying "She knew the risk" is absolutely just as much blaming them as "what was she wearing"---for their sex being stolen from them.
And all along I have answered the question---it is still absolutely immoral to take something from someone without their permission. If I steal a car, and then you drive that car around knowing I stole it, you still did something wrong. Just because someone else did the stealing doesn't make it okay for you to take part afterwards.
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