(August 12, 2017 at 2:43 pm)johan Wrote:(August 12, 2017 at 1:34 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Ok, I take it you don't want to and won't answer then.
I did answer. I do not think its wrong to look at pictures. That's my answer. I get that you want me to express that in moral terms but I don't see it as a moral question. Though I don't think I'd ever express it this way, using the definitions you've provided, I guess I'd have to call it morally neutral.
(August 12, 2017 at 2:39 pm)FFaith Wrote: I think this answers Catholic_Lady's question about why people keep bringing up what the celebs could have done to better protect themselves. The celebs suffered some embarrassment. They were not gang raped or didn't have all of their wealth stolen from them. If they suffered a really severe crime, people wouldn't be making such a big deal about how little the celebs protected themselves. Is Justin Bieber or Kate Upton going to hang themselves because some nudes of them were leaked? Not likely. Kids might hang themselves in that situation, but they also might hang themselves because a couple people call them a bitch or a slut. Adults are held to a different standard. If someone calls a grown woman or man a bitch or slut, grow up and get the hell over it. Now of course I wouldn't tell someone who had nudes leaked to just get over it, but it's not nearly the end of the world and this is being way overblown. Catholic_Lady saying that us viewing the pics is really no different from peeping tommery is another ridiculous point, and she still hasn't explained why one act should get you in trouble with the law while the other act should not be punished under the law. Something's not adding up here. She has exaggerated way too much here and that's why people are finding it hard to take her argument seriously. Her or someone else (I forget) calling people who view the pictures sociopathic. Really?
Good and valid points. But I think the reason I went down the path of things celebrities could do to prevent the crime is because like or not, celebrities live by an altered set of standards when it comes to expectations of privacy the moment they become celebrities.
I can dress in my normal every day clothes and walk freely through an amusement park without the slightest expectation of anyone noticing me much less approaching me. If Justin Bieber walks through an amusement park, he will be mobbed. That is something that goes with the job of being a celebrity. You don't get to walk anonymously through amusement parks anymore. And you don't get to do a bunch of other stuff non-celebrities can do.
If I were single, I could make a dinner date with someone I just met, leave the restaurant with her and go back to her place for the night and NO ONE would bat an eye lash when she leaves for work in the morning. If Justin Beiber or any other high level celebrity does that, the woman they slept with will wake to find photographers outside her home and as Chrissie Hynde said will not be able to make from the cab to curb without some little jerk on her back. Again, that goes with the territory. Is it fair? Of course not. Who said life was supposed to be fair?
But yes, if a high level celebrity tried to cheat on their spouse and was caught because they were chased by photographers, I would not feel sorry for him or her. When a high level celebrity chooses to pose for nude photos and then further chooses to use the exact same security practices as a Denny's cook in Montana and expects that to be good enough, I don't feel sorry for him or her for getting hacked. Is that victim blaming? Dunno. I consider it idiot blaming but that's just me.
Yes, that's definitely a big part of it as well. Someone brought up the point that maybe people shouldn't go to a hockey game on a Friday night because they could be blamed for going on the road on a Friday where there are more likely to be drunk drivers about, but getting killed by a drunk driver is still very, very unlikely to happen to any particular person, even on a Friday. Creating nudes of yourself and then placing them on the internet (Cloud) is something quite a bit different because there's like what, a 50/50 or better chance of those pics eventually getting out? I'd say that it's unreasonable to expect someone to stop living their life and stay home every Friday to remain safer, but it's entirely reasonable to expect people to take precautions to prevent nude photos from getting out.
