(August 13, 2017 at 1:32 am)AFTT47 Wrote:(August 10, 2017 at 8:12 pm)Brian37 Wrote: The math and formulas involved in cosmic distances can be confusing to laypersons. But really it is not a different principle than using a tape measure and say a cop's radar gun to detect speed of a car. I am over simplifying certainly. It is a slight bit deeper than that.
But think of it this way, how many people can actually design and build a car from scratch, including the motor block itself. I don't mean plopping an old motor into a new chassy, but designing a mold, melting the metal, to make the block and the pistons. Then design the chassy itself, the interior the electronics.
But, you can certainly understand the idea of combustion, that is simple. Spark plug ignites the gas, the gas expands causing the pistons to move, in turn the arms of the pistons rotate the crank shaft, which turns the axle which turns the wheels.
Not many humans can understand say the deep math say at the level of a Hawking so if you don't get some of it that is ok, if you can, that is great, but anyone can certainly understand basic concepts.
As far as measuring cosmic distances and movement between galaxies it starts simply by measuring local stars then moving further outwards and they judge the age and color and size and position between other bodies along with speed. I don't know the formulas they do that with, but that is the basic idea, if I am not correct.
To the naked eye without a telescope everything looks like a star, but not every light in the sky is, some of those are entire galaxies in the deep backfield when looking at it with the naked eye with no aid. But, there was a time long ago where scientists originally thought our galaxy was all their was.
Now the freaky thing about our universe's future, if we were to exist as a species, that long, which we will not, but if we did exist long in the future, there will be a time when all those galaxies will be so far away it would seem the same way as it did before we knew there were other galaxies. If you think the universe is big now, you ain't seen nothing yet.
You can also think of expansion this way. The galaxies are not moving but the space between them is?
Ok, say you are studying the ice caps melting. So you put a poll at one end say 100 yards, and a poll at the other end, and you see a crack at the 50 yard line. well the ice is floating on water, in the case of the universe, expansion, which causes each of those chunks to move further away from each other. By knowing the color and size of the poll, a sun in another galaxy you can judge the ice chunk galaxy's motion away from the other poll which you also know the color and size of.
Now anyone feel free to correct me if I am way off, but that is the way I am picturing it.
My bolding of Brian's comments.
Brian, you are one of the strictest posters here regarding sticking to hard science. Where do you get off making an absolute statement regarding our longevity as a species with no justification whatsoever? Please tell us WHY you are so convinced we will not last that long as a species.
I happen to agree with you but probably for a different reason. I believe we will have so re-engineered ourselves by that point, we will not be the same species we are now. You make it sound like you are certain we will not survive in any form. Isn't that a bit presumptuous? Please correct me if I misinterpreted you.
Because our sun and our solar system WILL DIE eventually. And no, sorry I do not see a day when humans will live forever, that is si fi crap. extend yes, forever no. I don't treat si fi woo any differently. If scientists are speculating at the future possibilities it is still up to them to get there not up to anyone to assume or blindly swallow.
