RE: Organic Molecules Found 400 Light Years From Earth
August 14, 2017 at 10:01 pm
(This post was last modified: August 14, 2017 at 10:03 pm by rjh4 is back.)
(August 14, 2017 at 9:18 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(August 14, 2017 at 8:21 pm)rjh4 is back Wrote: I am not trying to say that there are different reactions depending on who or what is doing the mixing. I'm saying even the simplest cell is really complicated. To reproduce, many specific materials and conditions must be met. It requires various proteins, DNA, RNA, certain cellular machinery made up of various materials. Each of the proteins is made up of twenty amino acids that are only in the L form (not D). So the probabilities of the specific sequences needed is along the lines of 1/20 to the nth power where n is the length of the protein. The DNA and RNA are each made of specific sequences of 4 nucleotides or ribonucleotides. So the probabilities of the specific sequences needed is along the lines of 1/4 to the nth power where N is the length of the DNA and RNA respectively. The lengths of DNA, RNA, and protein sequences are quite long so the denominator gets huge really quickly. Consequently, the probabilities of all those materials and conditions coming together via random mixing of the matter of the universe is extremely small even given billions of years.
So my objection would be a probabilistic one.
How many reactions are happening at once? Are you "computing" your odds serially or in parallel? How many molecules might have been reacting across the surface of the Earth?
If it were only one one molecule interacting with another, then you would sure have a point. But with trillions of molecules going at it, I'd think your numbers would change significantly.
I don't think so. I will do some calculating and provide something for you to look at and check over. It will take a day or so as I don't think I will be able to do it tomorrow.
(August 14, 2017 at 9:56 pm)Succubus Wrote:(August 14, 2017 at 9:25 pm)rjh4 is back Wrote: I assume your questions are referring to the creation of man (from the dust only has to do with man)...and...I don't know.
No. The creation of life. Remember, the journey from non life to the first cell, is a far greater journey than from the first cell to man. Once the first self replicating cell appeared natural selection took over, and the rest is history.
You seem to be going back and forth between asking based on my worldview and yours. It makes no sense to mix them.
