RE: Australia church abuse: Priests 'must report' confessions
August 15, 2017 at 12:45 pm
(This post was last modified: August 15, 2017 at 12:57 pm by Drich.)
(August 14, 2017 at 9:53 pm)Fireball Wrote: "Pendulum of morality"? I'd like to see the hypocritical RCC's alleged "morality pendulum" dragged to a halt by secular law, and the criminal enterprise shut down. Getting away with crimes is something that has to be stopped. The RCC (and any other religious organization, for that matter) is NOT above secular law. They had their run of atrocious behavior.
Not a history or Constitution fan are you? What does "congress shall make no law governing any religion and the free practice there of" mean to you? it means Religion shall go unmolested by the "Secular law" sport.
Why?
Here's the thing you douches keep forgetting. Our founding fathers answered to a higher calling a higher being than society. Therefore Religion was not to be molested (pun intended) by society. because they knew what secularist/mob rules wold ultimately lead to.
(August 15, 2017 at 12:04 am)Fireball Wrote:(August 14, 2017 at 5:27 pm)Drich Wrote: Are you so foolish to think that only priest commit crimes and confess to other priests? I know you've probably baked most of your brain cells but if you think real hard you might see a broader application that could have very deep and long reaching implications for everyone of that religion.
If Government can undermine a sacrament or interfere with how religion works then you've just given up a core right to believe what you want. Which is all fine and good now, but what happenes in 40 years whe the morality pendul
So then what happens when soceity swings and these laws are implace and your morality is now what is on the chopping block?
Not everyone in the church is a pedophile, and if you remember a little while back pope what's his face defrock like 400 priests world wide, which is all but painting a scarlet A on their faces for society to seek their vengeance...
But I guess blood thirsty douche bags don't remember stuff like that.
OK, not every priest/whatever the position, is a pedophile. Let's move on from that, and I'll ask every religious person on this site a simple question. Your son/daughter comes to you with information about how they were sexually "mistreated" by one of the clergy. Now, tell me how your viscera are not twisted into knots for what your child has gone through, and go forgive the perpetrator. And don't go to the secular authorities, because they don't have authority over your selected clergy. Really? If this is the case, you ought to reconsider reproducing in the first place. Am I only going to get crickets?
ETA- not enough got defrock (sic), obviously.
what church says any of this? what orifice did you pull this narrative out of?
The matter on the table is the church obligated to reveal confession. meaning if a sinner confesses to a sin or even a crime is the church body obligated to report it to the government.
If yes the government shuts down catholic church worship as confession is apart of that religion. Meaning people who commit crimes will simply not confess their sin.
If you d-bags knew anything of confession absolution (repairing paying for your sin is apart of forgiveness) meaning you owe God a debt which is generally absolved with a traditional ritual and you owe the victim which means secular reparations. You morons believe everything you hear against the church and will not research or vet how the church actually operates. This kind of closed minded thinking is use to be attributed to people in the church but I see it more and more of people outside the church.
(August 15, 2017 at 7:57 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:(August 14, 2017 at 5:27 pm)Drich Wrote: Are you so foolish to think that only priest commit crimes and confess to other priests? I know you've probably baked most of your brain cells but if you think real hard you might see a broader application that could have very deep and long reaching implications for everyone of that religion.
If Government can undermine a sacrament or interfere with how religion works then you've just given up a core right to believe what you want. Which is all fine and good now, but what happenes in 40 years whe the morality pendul
So then what happens when soceity swings and these laws are implace and your morality is now what is on the chopping block?
Not everyone in the church is a pedophile, and if you remember a little while back pope what's his face defrock like 400 priests world wide, which is all but painting a scarlet A on their faces for society to seek their vengeance...
But I guess blood thirsty douche bags don't remember stuff like that.
So, if you're not allowed to do whatever you want in the name of religion, you lose the power to believe?
no, if people fear the cop sitting in the confessional they will stop confessing. if they can not get forgiveness of their sin (as what confession is for) it will shut down the religion. as what is the point if your unconfessed sins send you to Hell anyway?
(August 15, 2017 at 8:22 am)LastPoet Wrote: The whole issue is nuttery from the start. To confess to a 'priest' that relay to a 'god' the repentance that can never be used to give justice to the victym?
Ha. how many priests confessed to eachother kid-diddling? We will never know.
I'm not a believer in this method of confession either.. however I more strongly disagree with a governement who can push into the religious practices of any religion and set up a listening post.
Who won WWII anyway.. by the looks of it Hydra has indeed infiltrated and took over the allies.
