RE: Atheist struggling to answer a question i often propose to myself
August 25, 2017 at 8:26 am
(This post was last modified: August 25, 2017 at 8:38 am by Neo-Scholastic.)
(August 24, 2017 at 10:15 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: The fact that axioms are accepted doesn't not imply that your god is why they are axiomatic. Arguing otherwise is a non sequitur.You are correct. Good thing I didn't say or mean to imply that. Accepting certain truths as self-evident is an existential choice that carries through all later reasoning. As such it would be inconsistent to later compromise them when their application undermines a cherished belief.
(August 24, 2017 at 9:39 pm)mordant Wrote: Inherently, no creature in this universe can observe or remark on anything or have any knowledge of something outside this universe. The instant we have any actual data about a god, that god then is part of the natural order, and can be observed / debunked. 100% (not 99.999%, but 100%) of everything claimed about gods are simply asserted without valid and admissible evidence, and can therefore be dismissed without consideration of this non-evidence.
That seems like a reasonable objection for many naive god concepts. It doesn't apply when the evidence is ubiquitous such as the fact that beings persist in there being despite change or the general observation that causes have regular effects.
(August 25, 2017 at 5:38 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:(August 24, 2017 at 9:17 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: main logical demonstrations for theism, such as First Cause and Necessary Being. ... the skeptics are either denying reason's efficacy and/or asserting absurdity. Both approaches are nihilistic in nature.
Well yeah first of all so called First cause says nothing of the nature of god, meaning it can't say if it's Buddha, Medusa, Jesus, Krishna and so on. Second the problem of First cause is that then someone also had to make God and if you don't need explanation who created god then you don't need an explanation of the "first cause" of the universe or in other words why could that cause itself not be natural? Not to mention that we have a highly successful theory of probabilistic causes called quantum mechanics.
When someone brings up "who created god?" I can tell either they haven't thought it through or don't understand the argument.
