(September 3, 2017 at 10:15 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:(September 3, 2017 at 10:01 am)Nymphadora Wrote: Remember - he did NOT win the popular vote. The majority of us didn't want him there. Stupid electoral college.
It doesn't matter. Trump has his finger on the nuclear button and all Americans are responsible for what he does. We can hold trump voters responsible, but the world will hold all of us responsible.
It most certainly does matter. I am well aware that he's in office now. But you cannot generalize all Americans as being responsible for what he does. Most countries governments along with their citizens are smart enough to realize that the majority of American citizens didn't want him in office. They can read the news and they can see for themselves that he did NOT win the popular vote. It was a huge sore spot for him. He talked about "the numbers" for months and months after he was already in office. Matter of fact, it's still an obsession for him.
I honestly don't believe the rest of the world holds all Americans responsible for 45's existence in office. In fact, I think it's the opposite. I think the majority of the world sympathizes with those of us who didn't want him there in the first place. Just look at these forums as a good example of that. Many of our overseas members are sympathetic to those of us who have to live in the US now under his dictatorship.
Quote:A citizen who chooses not to renounce his citizenship can not then still have it both ways and renounce all responsibility for the conduct of his country, even if he voted against its current government.
I don't see why not. I am not personally responsible for putting that disgrace into office, therefore, I do NOT have to assume blame for anything he or his administration does nor do I have to renounce my citizenship to my country simply because I feel this way. The orange shitgibbon is not America. He doesn't stand for the America I love and he doesn't represent the America that I support. Again - he did not win the popular vote so he doesn't even represent the majority of Americans.
What you're saying, wouldn't be any different than me blaming you for my kids getting bad grades in school. It's blame shifting where there need not be any. You had nothing to do with it, so it's not your fault ergo, I refuse to accept any responsibility for the conduct of 45. He is NOT my president. I didn't put him there and I will not accept any blame for the embarrassment he causes to this country.
Disclaimer: I am only responsible for what I say, not what you choose to understand.