A question about original sin.

[C Rod]

What if say i believe it to be the one truth with the assurance of an old book, and i share this belief with you. The thing you want is to see God and then to be like ok now i get it but i find that very fake and selfish. We are arguing over belief and what you tell me of what you believe is just well informed speculation about grand coincidence that i find not true because it is not truth. My belief credits it as the one truth your just angry cause your on the outside. There all claims and as mush as know one wants to admit what we believe has to be the one truth or why believe, the thing is, it is the belief that is important not the claim we all claim to or are to scared to proclaim to for the one truth is irrelevant because we do not know it.

That's frighteningly close to word salad, C Rod. If English isn't your first language, forgive me. If it is, you might consider either a refresher course or a professional psychological assessment.

If I'm understanding your meaning, your belief is the one truth because it's what you believe. You find something not true because it's not truth. That's insanely circular logic - not to mention a steaming load of bullshit. Seriously, if that's your argument, you're in WAY over your head. You've become invested in an a priori "truth" and then treat that "truth" as an axiom to prove that your "truth" is the "truth". What you're displaying here is a serious lack of rational thought with a bit of delusion added for good measure.

My belief system (of which you know nothing) has nothing to do with "well informed speculation about grand coincidence".

P.S. I'm not angry, and if I was it certainly wouldn't be because "[I'm] on the outside". I'm quite comfortable where I'm at. I used to be a xtian, probably before you were born - and then I discovered that faith didn't stand up to any kind of rational scrutiny.

P.P.S. Enjoy your fairy tales.

P.P.P.S. I'll wait while you go look up the really big words.

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Hopefully you can understand this because it seems you couldn't understand my previous post because of word salad. What is my belief, if i do not believe it to be true? It is the one truth to me because there is one truth that explains it all. We do not know this incontrovertible truth so the "one truth" is in play for all because of belief, for things such as religion, this is our "one truth" that explains everything. How can i accept the Hindu religion that observes many gods, when my belief rests on there being only one God. Your belief if you wish to share must be the one truth you look to or you believe in multiple things, in which every possible thing is connected and thus all is the "one truth". Once the one truth is known than no belief to the contrary can be accepted so i ask do you know of the one truth or are there claims, kinda like mine.hock:

I think its pathetic to grasp at what can be contradicted and fallible instead of trying to understand if the semantics are just the problem. Can you tell me what belief is? More importantly can you in inform me of what is true? You are not seeking understanding or answers but just showing your knowledge of logic and quickness to obscure anything different. I do want to know what you believe or better yet know, and do you believe it to be true.

P.S. Just in case you were wondering, if there was an incontrovertible truth do you believe we would know it as such. Would i not change my belief if it was proven wrong, of course without a doubt. Or is doubt all we have and the acceptance of our reasons.

P.P.S. Understanding is fun, do you think so?

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I was asked and i answered. Everything else you said, i already said. My view is but a belief and i shared it with you.

Thank you. You're right, beliefs do not need to be proven. To say that you believe is enough. I believe that you believe It is only when beliefs are claimed to be true, that they need to be proven. You are apparently not claiming that your beliefs are true.

The book is my proof and i believe that my belief is true. I shared it with you like i would share my name but what you do not know, you do not know. All i can do is inform you of what i know as proof and discern as belief but what you do with this is your choice, not mine.