(September 19, 2017 at 8:11 am)LadyForCamus Wrote:(September 18, 2017 at 8:18 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: If you have an issue with what Steve is saying, perhaps it would be better to let him speak for himself. Straw manning, and poisoning the well are not exactly intellectual qualities either.
This is why with many atheist you need to keep things simple, on a very narrow topic, and it's difficult to have a discussion at all.
Rhetoric and sophism, are the norm, and they will overload you in all directions and inconsistencies, and then argue against not what you say.... but some distortion of it.
And for the record, if you've been reading along; Steve was the one who started name-calling. Not me. I recall the words, 'stupid', and 'obnoxious' from him, before I retaliated. I've been consistently addressing the argument, and asking him to clarify his position. He's the one who's attitude went from haughty to sour in a matter of pages (wonder why that was?). So, this: 'all you atheists do is personally attack and avoid discussion' is demonstrably false in this thread as it pertains to me, personally.
The statement is demonstrably false in this thread for the majority of respondents. Steve got his feelings hurt when he contradicted himself in his very own thread, he literally engages in special pleading for Christianity while simultaneously claiming he isn't. I guess he didn't like having that called out, probably because his interests center around preaching and not conversation/debate. Steve (and RR too) presume that they have a lot to teach us, but nothing to learn. So they presume that they will do just that, teach us. Except what they have to teach is erroneous, demonstrably false, and unwanted. You can't teach bullshit to people who know bullshit when they smell it.