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The Argument From Design
RE: The Argument From Design
(August 5, 2011 at 5:03 pm)popeyespappy Wrote:
(August 5, 2011 at 12:52 am)Godschild Wrote: Third you have nothing, no one has recovered an eye from dinosaurs or any other animal perivious to them. Please show those ancient eyes that have been so well preserved over millions of years.

We don’t need to recover an intact eye from a dinosaur. We have living examples. Eye spots can be found in some forms of green algae and several other types of single celled organism like euglenids right now. Eye pits are found in many types of flat worms. The nautilus has pin hole eyes. Some gastropods and annelids have spherical lensed eyes. Most land vertebrate eyes have a refractive cornea.

We can also deduce many of the characteristics of dinosaur eyes from the features of their fossilized skulls. The size, shape and location of the opening in the skull gives us information about dinosaur eyes. We can also recreate 3d models of dinosaur brains from the shape of the skull. This allows us to determine the size and shape of the occipital lobe region of the cerebrum. This type of information allows us to determine if a certain species of dinosaur relied more on vision, olfactory or hearing the most. None of that really matters though since mammals and therefore humans didn’t evolve from dinosaurs. Dinosaurs and mammals each evolved from a separate branch of decedents of an early reptile/protoreptile/amphibian that laid water proof eggs.

I’d like to suggest that you spend a little time learning what science really thinks about evolution instead of depending on your preacher or people from the Discovery Institute. I’d bet that would be a waste of time though because I’m sure others have made similar suggestions to no avail before me. It would be nice though if you had a clue. It might help you formulate an argument that didn’t involve a straw man or simply shouting “You can’t prove it!” over and over again.

It's all hypothesis, you have no facts about any ancient eyes or if the eye evolved at all, without the actual subjects to study you can have no proof, the same as God, I can not physically show Him to you so I have no proof that you would accept. Just because certain types of eyes exist this in no way means that the eye evolved through any process, there is no proof that a simple type of light sensitive material in a single cell organsim evolved into an eye. I'm not buying this line of reasoning it makes no sence. I guess the next thing I will hear from you will be that a photoelectric cell will evolve into a digital telescope that will be able to see into the center of a black hole. Now do not get me wrong I like science and enjoy scientific discoveries that are factual, I love to see the pictures that Hubble brings us and look forward to the spacecraft going to Jupiter, I think that's the correct planet, to peer through the clouds so we can see what's under them. However when it comes to evolution well there is no evidence that it's true, I do believe that changes can and do happen within a species but not changes so great that a new species evolves. By the way my pastor was a nuclear engineer with TVA before he was called to be a pastor, so you see I do study under a very intelligent man, who by the way will only deal with truth, if there is speculation in anything he teaches he says so and explains it.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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The Argument From Design - by ElDinero - August 2, 2011 at 1:07 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2011 at 1:09 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by fr0d0 - August 2, 2011 at 3:06 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Anomalocaris - August 2, 2011 at 3:11 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by ElDinero - August 2, 2011 at 1:15 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Rayaan - August 2, 2011 at 1:33 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Anomalocaris - August 2, 2011 at 1:46 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by ElDinero - August 2, 2011 at 3:02 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by theVOID - August 3, 2011 at 12:37 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Napoléon - August 2, 2011 at 1:45 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Minimalist - August 2, 2011 at 1:54 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Rayaan - August 2, 2011 at 1:54 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Minimalist - August 2, 2011 at 1:56 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Napoléon - August 2, 2011 at 2:00 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by popeyespappy - August 2, 2011 at 2:06 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Napoléon - August 2, 2011 at 2:37 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Napoléon - August 2, 2011 at 2:07 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2011 at 2:33 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2011 at 2:39 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2011 at 3:19 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Gawdzilla - August 2, 2011 at 3:26 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by ElDinero - August 2, 2011 at 3:31 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Anomalocaris - August 2, 2011 at 3:35 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2011 at 3:38 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by ElDinero - August 2, 2011 at 4:20 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2011 at 4:21 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Napoléon - August 2, 2011 at 4:25 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Godschild - August 3, 2011 at 12:17 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Gawdzilla - August 7, 2011 at 8:28 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Faith No More - August 3, 2011 at 12:42 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2011 at 12:43 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Godschild - August 3, 2011 at 4:12 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Justtristo - August 3, 2011 at 4:27 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Napoléon - August 3, 2011 at 5:46 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Justtristo - August 3, 2011 at 7:03 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Napoléon - August 3, 2011 at 11:37 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Anomalocaris - August 3, 2011 at 4:28 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Shell B - August 3, 2011 at 12:59 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2011 at 1:04 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Shell B - August 3, 2011 at 1:07 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2011 at 1:09 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Shell B - August 3, 2011 at 1:10 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2011 at 1:13 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Shell B - August 3, 2011 at 1:22 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Faith No More - August 3, 2011 at 1:17 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2011 at 1:20 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2011 at 1:27 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Shell B - August 3, 2011 at 1:35 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Rayaan - August 3, 2011 at 1:36 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by theVOID - August 3, 2011 at 5:52 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Shell B - August 3, 2011 at 1:41 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2011 at 1:43 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Justtristo - August 3, 2011 at 1:55 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2011 at 2:12 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Faith No More - August 3, 2011 at 2:42 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Justtristo - August 3, 2011 at 4:14 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2011 at 2:55 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Godschild - August 3, 2011 at 4:17 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by ElDinero - August 3, 2011 at 5:28 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by downbeatplumb - August 3, 2011 at 5:33 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by ElDinero - August 3, 2011 at 5:39 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Godschild - August 3, 2011 at 3:31 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Napoléon - August 3, 2011 at 3:34 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Shell B - August 3, 2011 at 3:43 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Anomalocaris - August 3, 2011 at 5:13 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Godschild - August 4, 2011 at 1:35 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by ElDinero - August 4, 2011 at 4:37 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Godschild - August 5, 2011 at 1:06 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by ElDinero - August 5, 2011 at 5:14 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Godschild - August 5, 2011 at 6:38 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by edk - August 5, 2011 at 12:42 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by ElDinero - August 3, 2011 at 7:35 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by theVOID - August 4, 2011 at 5:43 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Godschild - August 5, 2011 at 12:32 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2011 at 3:35 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by fr0d0 - August 3, 2011 at 3:52 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2011 at 4:01 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Shell B - August 3, 2011 at 4:03 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Napoléon - August 3, 2011 at 5:06 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2011 at 4:12 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Shell B - August 3, 2011 at 4:25 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by fr0d0 - August 3, 2011 at 5:59 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2011 at 6:29 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Minimalist - August 3, 2011 at 8:16 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Shell B - August 4, 2011 at 1:36 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Minimalist - August 4, 2011 at 1:41 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by fr0d0 - August 4, 2011 at 3:43 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 4, 2011 at 8:49 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by fr0d0 - August 5, 2011 at 3:00 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by ElDinero - August 4, 2011 at 11:28 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by popeyespappy - August 4, 2011 at 12:02 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Godschild - August 5, 2011 at 12:52 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 4, 2011 at 12:24 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Minimalist - August 4, 2011 at 1:05 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 4, 2011 at 1:55 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 5, 2011 at 12:38 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 5, 2011 at 1:05 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 5, 2011 at 1:11 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Anymouse - August 5, 2011 at 7:14 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 5, 2011 at 9:11 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by fr0d0 - August 5, 2011 at 1:02 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Minimalist - August 5, 2011 at 1:37 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 5, 2011 at 2:19 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by popeyespappy - August 5, 2011 at 5:03 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Godschild - August 5, 2011 at 6:21 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by fr0d0 - August 5, 2011 at 5:46 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 5, 2011 at 6:16 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by fr0d0 - August 6, 2011 at 3:49 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by downbeatplumb - August 6, 2011 at 8:54 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 5, 2011 at 6:24 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by MinusGod - August 5, 2011 at 6:32 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Minimalist - August 6, 2011 at 7:41 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by popeyespappy - August 5, 2011 at 10:07 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Godschild - August 8, 2011 at 2:22 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by popeyespappy - August 9, 2011 at 1:00 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Godschild - August 9, 2011 at 3:12 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by thebigfudge - August 9, 2011 at 4:15 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Jackalope - August 9, 2011 at 4:36 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by popeyespappy - August 9, 2011 at 6:03 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Jackalope - August 9, 2011 at 6:22 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Godschild - August 10, 2011 at 2:15 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Jackalope - August 10, 2011 at 3:20 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by popeyespappy - August 10, 2011 at 6:50 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Faith No More - August 9, 2011 at 4:36 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by popeyespappy - August 9, 2011 at 4:50 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Anomalocaris - August 9, 2011 at 8:30 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2011 at 9:39 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by fr0d0 - August 6, 2011 at 3:34 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Emanuel - August 6, 2011 at 1:26 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by MinusGod - August 6, 2011 at 2:49 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Emanuel - August 6, 2011 at 3:35 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by MinusGod - August 6, 2011 at 10:15 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Jaysyn - August 12, 2011 at 1:49 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2011 at 1:40 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2011 at 3:45 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by fr0d0 - August 6, 2011 at 4:01 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2011 at 4:02 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by fr0d0 - August 6, 2011 at 4:08 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Anomalocaris - August 6, 2011 at 6:18 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2011 at 4:12 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by fr0d0 - August 6, 2011 at 5:19 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by fr0d0 - August 6, 2011 at 7:04 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2011 at 7:27 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2011 at 7:50 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by MinusGod - August 6, 2011 at 9:01 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by TheAtheistTroll - August 7, 2011 at 6:27 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Emanuel - August 7, 2011 at 8:23 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by TheAtheistTroll - August 7, 2011 at 2:23 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 8, 2011 at 9:17 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Minimalist - August 9, 2011 at 4:20 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 9, 2011 at 5:16 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Faith No More - August 10, 2011 at 3:20 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 10, 2011 at 3:56 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Captain Scarlet - August 12, 2011 at 8:33 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by LastPoet - August 10, 2011 at 8:43 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 12, 2011 at 8:44 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Gawdzilla - August 12, 2011 at 11:56 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Captain Scarlet - August 12, 2011 at 2:15 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 12, 2011 at 12:22 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Minimalist - August 12, 2011 at 1:58 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 12, 2011 at 3:22 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Anymouse - August 13, 2011 at 6:18 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Minimalist - August 12, 2011 at 6:19 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by popeyespappy - August 12, 2011 at 9:01 pm

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