RE: The Argument From Design
August 6, 2011 at 9:39 am
(This post was last modified: August 6, 2011 at 9:49 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Okay Frodo, I don't understand. Explain it to me without arguing for Deism and then asserting that this deity is Christ. Explain it to me without resorting to fallacies. Repeatedly stating that I do not understand does not explain your position. I understand that you believe any evidence of god would be against his nature. I'm not interested in what you believe about his nature. How many times have I said to others on this forum that I believe is not equal to it is? If there is a god, I want to have knowledge of that god. I'm a curious person. It doesn't matter to me who's description is closer to god, I'm not invested in this at all. I just want facts. Why do you insist the facts be in accordance with your beliefs? Why go so far as to say that there could be none, all the while stating that he is a fact? This is special pleading again. You want me to enact special rules for your concept of god, so that this concept can make "sense". You're demanding that your assumptions be taken as fact. Not only are you demanding they be taken at face value, you are implying that there is some reason to do so. Is the reason that I should accept your assumption as a fact, because your argument depends upon it? If this isn't the reason, then just tell me what the reason is. Don't waste your time telling me I don't understand. Is it surprising to you that I challenge these assumptions? Should we not ask questions like this? If not, why not?
I absolutely cannot stand it when people use the words "knowledge" and "faith" as though they are interchangeable. They are not. Imagine if a person kept using the word gift to describe a debt.
The idea that I'm trying to express here is simple. So what if your understanding of the god concept is not actually representative of the truth of the concept of god? Are we interested in the truth in this matter, or only those truths that would confirm your hypothesis? My entire argument, start to finish, consists of very little else.
There is very much that we do not know. God could be in this vast expanse of ignorance. That we do not know now, does not mean we never could. You seem to be implying to me that this entire line of research is closed, that the final word has been spoken on the matter. This is unsatisfying to me. It would be the only area of human knowledge then that is not open to review (let that sink in). This may be the case, but I have never been given reason to believe it to be so.
I absolutely cannot stand it when people use the words "knowledge" and "faith" as though they are interchangeable. They are not. Imagine if a person kept using the word gift to describe a debt.
The idea that I'm trying to express here is simple. So what if your understanding of the god concept is not actually representative of the truth of the concept of god? Are we interested in the truth in this matter, or only those truths that would confirm your hypothesis? My entire argument, start to finish, consists of very little else.
There is very much that we do not know. God could be in this vast expanse of ignorance. That we do not know now, does not mean we never could. You seem to be implying to me that this entire line of research is closed, that the final word has been spoken on the matter. This is unsatisfying to me. It would be the only area of human knowledge then that is not open to review (let that sink in). This may be the case, but I have never been given reason to believe it to be so.
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