RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 1, 2017 at 11:10 am
(This post was last modified: October 1, 2017 at 11:19 am by The Grand Nudger.)
"You didn't read what I wrote" is becoming a common excuse on your part, for an on-going failure to competently communicate your position .
(that's operating on the generous assumption that your position -can- be competently communicated or is, itself, competent........)
You keep imagining that reading more of your posts will solve the problem...but the problem is what you keep putting in your posts...so I'm not sure why you would expect that to resolve the issue. You do not understand, and have not accurately communicated the thought experiment you keep referring to in analogy. This has been pointed out to you, and yet you persist. You then failed to find a proper application for this analogy in your chosen context. This has also been pointed out to you, and yet you persist. No amount of finding different ways to do or say that will amount to an improvement. This part of your position is a fundamental failure. Unfortunately, it's the core of your position.
That the rest of your position does not follow from that initial misapprehension, in any case, would begin to border on the bizarre, were it not so common that we, as human beings, pile unrelated items of detritus on top of each other ..each of dubious value, and then declare the result some sort of enlightenment that follows from random misapprehensions.
The conclusion you have arrived upon, itself...does not need to be established with this nonsense, and nonsense cannot establish it anyway. If we cut out the trash, we would be left with:
"I think that pleasure as an experience, is the "real good".
Okay, you're a hedonist of some sort, we already got that. A stoic disagrees. Most of us fall somewhere between those two positions. The implications of either position at the extremities are untenable to us. The edge cases. I already brought up one. If The Real Good is what you have described...then a sex offenders satisfaction qualifies, and the knowledge that sex offense is wrong...divorced from a similar satisfaction......does not. If we contend (as we would) that "some feelings" aren't good, even though they are an emotional good....then we've not only undermined our claim that happy thoughts are the only real good.....we will have modified our hedonism with stoicism. Some good feelings aren't good after all, let alone "the real good"...and particularly in the case of those good feelings..it's better to oppose them through will and thoughtful abstinence. The real good, in those cases, containing what you would call thought value judgements directly opposed to the emotional value judgement.
The only ground left, is to claim that it would be "more good" (we've already lost the categorical ground of real good, you see) if one possessed the knowledge and -did- have some profoundly associated concordant emotional response. This is merely a reassertion of your initial preference for emotional value judgements, and all of the same problems described above immediately apply, again.
(that's operating on the generous assumption that your position -can- be competently communicated or is, itself, competent........)
You keep imagining that reading more of your posts will solve the problem...but the problem is what you keep putting in your posts...so I'm not sure why you would expect that to resolve the issue. You do not understand, and have not accurately communicated the thought experiment you keep referring to in analogy. This has been pointed out to you, and yet you persist. You then failed to find a proper application for this analogy in your chosen context. This has also been pointed out to you, and yet you persist. No amount of finding different ways to do or say that will amount to an improvement. This part of your position is a fundamental failure. Unfortunately, it's the core of your position.
That the rest of your position does not follow from that initial misapprehension, in any case, would begin to border on the bizarre, were it not so common that we, as human beings, pile unrelated items of detritus on top of each other ..each of dubious value, and then declare the result some sort of enlightenment that follows from random misapprehensions.
The conclusion you have arrived upon, itself...does not need to be established with this nonsense, and nonsense cannot establish it anyway. If we cut out the trash, we would be left with:
"I think that pleasure as an experience, is the "real good".
Okay, you're a hedonist of some sort, we already got that. A stoic disagrees. Most of us fall somewhere between those two positions. The implications of either position at the extremities are untenable to us. The edge cases. I already brought up one. If The Real Good is what you have described...then a sex offenders satisfaction qualifies, and the knowledge that sex offense is wrong...divorced from a similar satisfaction......does not. If we contend (as we would) that "some feelings" aren't good, even though they are an emotional good....then we've not only undermined our claim that happy thoughts are the only real good.....we will have modified our hedonism with stoicism. Some good feelings aren't good after all, let alone "the real good"...and particularly in the case of those good feelings..it's better to oppose them through will and thoughtful abstinence. The real good, in those cases, containing what you would call thought value judgements directly opposed to the emotional value judgement.
The only ground left, is to claim that it would be "more good" (we've already lost the categorical ground of real good, you see) if one possessed the knowledge and -did- have some profoundly associated concordant emotional response. This is merely a reassertion of your initial preference for emotional value judgements, and all of the same problems described above immediately apply, again.
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