RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 3, 2017 at 4:31 pm
(This post was last modified: October 3, 2017 at 4:52 pm by Transcended Dimensions.)
(October 3, 2017 at 4:23 pm)Astonished Wrote: What the fuck difference does it make if emotions are subjective or objective? We've been experiencing them our entire lives, we understand how to change them, how to lose control of them by various means, how to manipulate them by other means, how to change them in an instant, and how the exact same situation can affect two people entirely differently on an emotional level (which would be considered subjective, at least in the underlying cause that triggers the emotional effect).
You should go check out the thread on objective morality. If you use the axiom of well-being, those things that promote and diminish well-being are objective but there is still a lot that has to be decided subjectively as far as what is worse or better in a given situation where consensus cannot be achieved. Maybe then whatever it is you're talking about here will make an ounce of sense or have some semblance of relevance.
Maybe this will make more sense to you and clear some confusion up:
Other Person's Response: How can you not see the good and bad value of things in this life independent of those euphoric and dysphoric states?
My Reply: Because it's as though there can be no other "good" or "bad" message to my brain. It would, again, be no different than a blind person who is not getting the visual signal to his brain that would allow him to visualize colors. This has been my own lifelong personal experience and I am just sharing it to you and others. I do not ever recall there being a single moment in my life where I truly saw good or bad value independent of my euphoria and dysphoria.
Other Person's Response: But what if you were feeling nothing but a positive emotion and I called you the worst names, made fun of you, your worldview, and did all sorts of mean and cruel things to you?
My Reply: As long as I am not feeling any negative emotion from that, then, as far as I'm concerned, everything is all good in my life. There would be no "bad" message to my brain.
Other Person's Response: Let me try one last time. If you were feeling nothing but a positive emotion, then would the idea that you would undergo the worst possible torment forever in hell bother you?
My Reply: It still wouldn't. But I would definitely make that choice to do all I can to avoid that hell, nonetheless. The same idea would apply if I was in a completely miserable state and I could do something right then and there to obtain the eternal blissful afterlife of my dreams. None of that would have any real good value in my life during that miserable moment. Nonetheless, I would still definitely make the choice to obtain that blissful afterlife just from knowing that I would live the greatest life of my dreams.
