RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 3, 2017 at 10:42 pm
(This post was last modified: October 3, 2017 at 10:46 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 3, 2017 at 9:08 pm)bennyboy Wrote:(October 3, 2017 at 5:26 pm)Hammy Wrote: Meanwhile people who think that subjective experience can't be objectively good or bad because it's "subjective" are failing to spot their own equivocations.Nope. It's not in the experience, it's in the definition of "good." That word can be defined however anybody wants, and that is the definition of subjectivity. Something which is intrinsically good is good without being defined so by somebody-- and there's no such thing.
OFC the nature of our human experience is subjective. Neccessarily so. This doesn't make the objects of our experience subjective. Moral disagreement exists regardless and independent of moral objectivity. If it were evil to put chocolate chips on ice cream people would still do it, and some of those people would likely not see the act as evil.
While we may subjectively suffer (or not) when some terrible thing x happens, the thing itself may be terrible independent of that. When the thing y that makes object x terrible belongs naturally or essentially -to that thing x-, regardless of whether or not a given subject suffers, for example.....it is intrinsic. A rape that occurs when the victim is unconscious is not determined to be not bad or less bad, because the bad is taken to be intrinsic to the act.
There's no concept conveyed by human beings that isn't defined by human beings. This is an objection to all human thought and language, but not the particulars of any specific proposition or moral assessment.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!