RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 5, 2017 at 2:30 pm
(This post was last modified: October 5, 2017 at 2:36 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(October 5, 2017 at 8:21 am)bennyboy Wrote: "Good" means whatever you want it to mean, based on your individual feelings and predilections.
There are multiple definitions of the word "good" depending on context. That is not the same thing as it being purely subjective. As Sam Harris notes... there is no meaningful sense in which the worst possible misery for everyone isn't bad in a moral context. Non-consequentalist theories wouldn't be taken seriously if none of their virtues and rules didn't often lead to good consequences. Even non-consequentalist theories implicitly presuppose the soundness of consequentalism, therefore.
Quote: There is great agreement about what "apple" and "science" mean, and little about what constitutes good or bad.
You've got this completely ass backwards if you think agreement and disagreement is relevant. The whole point of objectivity is agreement or disagreement over something is irrelevant.
"Objective" doesn't mean "universal". Everyone in the world doesn't have to agree that Nazism is bad for Nazism to be bad. And if Nazism really is objectively bad then if Hitler won the war and the whole world converted to Nazism then Nazism would still be bad. It wouldn't matter that everyone universally agreed that it was good. That's what objectively good or bad means. It means something is good or bad regardless of if people agree or disagree on the matter
Is 2+2=4 objectively true because most people agree that 2+2=4? NO! 2+2=4 is objectively true because it's true regardless of whether people agree with or understand the answer. That's what objective means. You've got this entirely backwards.
"Intrinsic" doesn't mean everyone has to agree. On the contrary, it means something is the way it is in and of itself regardless of disagreement or agreement.
So it's ironic that you said I didn't know what "intrinsic" means and that I needed to invest in a dictionary. When it's very clear that it's you who doesn't know what it means. And maybe you should go and read the dictionary. I once spent every day reading a dictionary for 8 months straight. And I often do read it every now and then purely for enjoyment. I'm the last person who needs to do further revision.
(October 5, 2017 at 9:30 am)Little lunch Wrote: I think I get it.
A blind man can smell a potato, but only if it's cooked.
If it doesn't taste good to him, then he is inferior and worthless.
Currently, TD is the only person in the world who likes the taste of cooked potatoes, although he hasn't always.
Therefore he is no longer blind, which makes him superior and worth something.
The rest of us eat only tomatoes, which we can describe as red, but cannot visualise.
Tomatoes and potatoes mashed together produces an inner light.
Therefore you do not need to season it with salt and pepper.
I have no idea what the rest of you are on about with your subjective and objective bullshit.
It's not even food, it has no taste.
But......... I LOVE cooked potatoes too