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The Argument From Design
RE: The Argument From Design
(August 9, 2011 at 4:36 pm)I_Blaspheme Wrote:
(August 9, 2011 at 3:12 pm)Godschild Wrote: I see our 50,000 years are in agreement, beyond that no dating is reliable.

Wrong.

Uranium-lead
Samarium-neodymium
Potassium-argon
Rubidium-strontium
Uranium-thorium
Argon-argon
Iodine-xenon
Lanthanum-barium
Lead-lead
Lutetium-hafnium
Neon-neon
Rhenium-osmium
Uranium-lead-helium
Uranium-uranium
Chlorine-36
Isochron dating method
Fission track dating method
Luminescence dating methods

You have no material with an actual known age to verify those test past 50,000 years.
(August 9, 2011 at 4:36 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote:
(August 9, 2011 at 3:12 pm)Godschild Wrote: ...at least creationist have stuck to their guns.

In ourn world where our body of knowledge is constantly changing and every day something new is discovered, this is not a virtue.

I disagree, truth is a powerful virtue.
(August 9, 2011 at 4:50 pm)popeyespappy Wrote:
(August 9, 2011 at 4:36 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote:
(August 9, 2011 at 3:12 pm)Godschild Wrote: ...at least creationist have stuck to their guns.

In ourn world where our body of knowledge is constantly changing and every day something new is discovered, this is not a virtue.

It’s also why science, which is willing and able to shift paradigms as new data becomes available, beats the shit out the unchanging dogma of religion.

Every. Fucking. Time.

No it doesn't science is suppose to be about facts and truth, unfortunately that no longer seems to be true for alot of the science fields. To often scientist claim they have the facts about a subject and then later it is confirmed not true, why not say this is what we believe could be but more investigation has to be done. As I said before I like and will accept true science.
(August 9, 2011 at 5:16 pm)Rhythm Wrote: In the last 50,000 years 33 genera of large mammals have gone extinct in N.A. alone. Of these 15 were annihilated in a period of approx 1,500 years that coincides with the arrival of the Clovis People. Small mammals were spared; harder to grill. Consequently they've developed into the stunning array of rodents we see before us here in the US, from Deer to doormice.

Cro Magnons appear in Europe around 40,000BCE. Neandertals disappeared around 22,000BCE.

You're looking at what, the end of the paleolithic/beginning of the neolithic?

Let me just tell you that you picked the absolute worst time period. The Neolithic Revolution saw one of the more interesting explosions of evolution ever seen. Evolution has never had a more productive employee than man. Evolution is just the process by which what is left alive has offspring and what is not does not. Again, evolution is observed fact. Do you have a theory that would explain the mechanism behind the observed fact of evolution?

I know what has you hung up. You have absolutely no understanding of Taxonomy. Things don't "change" from species to species, they make significant revisions and are so called new "somethings". You are still a chordate, still a mammal, still a primate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_taxonomy

You're also surprisingly uneducated.

Then tell me which mammal evolved into a deer that was not a deer before it magicly turned into a deer.

(August 9, 2011 at 8:30 pm)Chuck Wrote:
(August 9, 2011 at 3:12 pm)Godschild Wrote: ..... at least creationist have stuck to their guns.

You don't have guns to stick to. What you are sticking to is thrice mutated shit you conceive to be the bible which you are too timid to scrap off.

We, on the other hand, are not too timid to change our mind when additional data arrive to demand it.

The Bible is not a book of science or history it's a book of spiritual living, I have not used the Bible as a science book.
(August 9, 2011 at 4:20 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:We've not had even the slightest sign of any speices evolving to another speices in the last 50,000 years,


Wrong again, as usual G-C. Why don't you get your head out of your ass and learn something before running your fucking mouth?


http://www.biologynews.net/archives/2011...ution.html

Quote:A new plant species is providing an insight into how evolution works and could help improve crop plants, scientists have revealed.

The new plant species, Tragopogon miscellus, appeared in the United States 80 years ago. It came about when two species in the daisy family, introduced from Europe, mated to produce a hybrid offspring.

The species had mated before in Europe, but the hybrids were never successful. However in America something new happened. The number of chromosomes in the hybrid spontaneously doubled, and at once it became larger than its parents and quickly spread.

Scientists studied the Tragopogon miscellus to understand how evolution works.

They found that the new plant species had relaxed control of gene expression in its earliest generations. But today, after 80 years of evolution, different patterns of gene expression are found in every plant.

"We caught evolution in the act," says Doug Soltis, co-leader of the research team. New and diverse patterns of gene expression may allow the new species to rapidly adapt in new environments.

A daisy is still a daisy no matter what new name man wants to apply to it, desperation Min, desperation.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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The Argument From Design - by ElDinero - August 2, 2011 at 1:07 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2011 at 1:09 pm
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RE: The Argument From Design - by Minimalist - August 2, 2011 at 1:54 pm
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RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2011 at 3:19 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Gawdzilla - August 2, 2011 at 3:26 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by ElDinero - August 2, 2011 at 3:31 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Anomalocaris - August 2, 2011 at 3:35 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2011 at 3:38 pm
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RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2011 at 4:21 pm
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RE: The Argument From Design - by Godschild - August 3, 2011 at 12:17 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Gawdzilla - August 7, 2011 at 8:28 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Faith No More - August 3, 2011 at 12:42 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2011 at 12:43 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Godschild - August 3, 2011 at 4:12 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Justtristo - August 3, 2011 at 4:27 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Napoléon - August 3, 2011 at 5:46 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Justtristo - August 3, 2011 at 7:03 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Napoléon - August 3, 2011 at 11:37 am
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RE: The Argument From Design - by Faith No More - August 3, 2011 at 1:17 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2011 at 1:20 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2011 at 1:27 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Shell B - August 3, 2011 at 1:35 am
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RE: The Argument From Design - by theVOID - August 3, 2011 at 5:52 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Shell B - August 3, 2011 at 1:41 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2011 at 1:43 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Justtristo - August 3, 2011 at 1:55 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2011 at 2:12 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Faith No More - August 3, 2011 at 2:42 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Justtristo - August 3, 2011 at 4:14 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2011 at 2:55 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Godschild - August 3, 2011 at 4:17 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by ElDinero - August 3, 2011 at 5:28 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by downbeatplumb - August 3, 2011 at 5:33 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by ElDinero - August 3, 2011 at 5:39 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Godschild - August 3, 2011 at 3:31 pm
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RE: The Argument From Design - by Shell B - August 3, 2011 at 3:43 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Anomalocaris - August 3, 2011 at 5:13 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Godschild - August 4, 2011 at 1:35 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by ElDinero - August 4, 2011 at 4:37 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Godschild - August 5, 2011 at 1:06 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by ElDinero - August 5, 2011 at 5:14 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Godschild - August 5, 2011 at 6:38 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by edk - August 5, 2011 at 12:42 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by ElDinero - August 3, 2011 at 7:35 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by theVOID - August 4, 2011 at 5:43 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Godschild - August 5, 2011 at 12:32 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2011 at 3:35 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by fr0d0 - August 3, 2011 at 3:52 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2011 at 4:01 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Shell B - August 3, 2011 at 4:03 pm
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RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2011 at 4:12 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Shell B - August 3, 2011 at 4:25 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by fr0d0 - August 3, 2011 at 5:59 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2011 at 6:29 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Minimalist - August 3, 2011 at 8:16 pm
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RE: The Argument From Design - by Minimalist - August 4, 2011 at 1:41 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by fr0d0 - August 4, 2011 at 3:43 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 4, 2011 at 8:49 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by fr0d0 - August 5, 2011 at 3:00 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by ElDinero - August 4, 2011 at 11:28 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by popeyespappy - August 4, 2011 at 12:02 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Godschild - August 5, 2011 at 12:52 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 4, 2011 at 12:24 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Minimalist - August 4, 2011 at 1:05 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 4, 2011 at 1:55 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 5, 2011 at 12:38 am
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RE: The Argument From Design - by fr0d0 - August 5, 2011 at 1:02 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Minimalist - August 5, 2011 at 1:37 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 5, 2011 at 2:19 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by popeyespappy - August 5, 2011 at 5:03 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Godschild - August 5, 2011 at 6:21 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by fr0d0 - August 5, 2011 at 5:46 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 5, 2011 at 6:16 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by fr0d0 - August 6, 2011 at 3:49 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by downbeatplumb - August 6, 2011 at 8:54 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 5, 2011 at 6:24 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by MinusGod - August 5, 2011 at 6:32 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Minimalist - August 6, 2011 at 7:41 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by popeyespappy - August 5, 2011 at 10:07 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Godschild - August 8, 2011 at 2:22 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by popeyespappy - August 9, 2011 at 1:00 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Godschild - August 9, 2011 at 3:12 pm
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RE: The Argument From Design - by popeyespappy - August 9, 2011 at 6:03 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Jackalope - August 9, 2011 at 6:22 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Godschild - August 10, 2011 at 2:15 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Jackalope - August 10, 2011 at 3:20 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by popeyespappy - August 10, 2011 at 6:50 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Faith No More - August 9, 2011 at 4:36 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by popeyespappy - August 9, 2011 at 4:50 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Anomalocaris - August 9, 2011 at 8:30 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2011 at 9:39 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by fr0d0 - August 6, 2011 at 3:34 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Emanuel - August 6, 2011 at 1:26 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by MinusGod - August 6, 2011 at 2:49 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Emanuel - August 6, 2011 at 3:35 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by MinusGod - August 6, 2011 at 10:15 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Jaysyn - August 12, 2011 at 1:49 pm
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RE: The Argument From Design - by Anomalocaris - August 6, 2011 at 6:18 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2011 at 4:12 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by fr0d0 - August 6, 2011 at 5:19 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by fr0d0 - August 6, 2011 at 7:04 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2011 at 7:27 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2011 at 7:50 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by MinusGod - August 6, 2011 at 9:01 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by TheAtheistTroll - August 7, 2011 at 6:27 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Emanuel - August 7, 2011 at 8:23 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by TheAtheistTroll - August 7, 2011 at 2:23 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 8, 2011 at 9:17 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Minimalist - August 9, 2011 at 4:20 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 9, 2011 at 5:16 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Faith No More - August 10, 2011 at 3:20 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 10, 2011 at 3:56 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Captain Scarlet - August 12, 2011 at 8:33 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by LastPoet - August 10, 2011 at 8:43 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 12, 2011 at 8:44 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Gawdzilla - August 12, 2011 at 11:56 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Captain Scarlet - August 12, 2011 at 2:15 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 12, 2011 at 12:22 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Minimalist - August 12, 2011 at 1:58 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by The Grand Nudger - August 12, 2011 at 3:22 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by Anymouse - August 13, 2011 at 6:18 am
RE: The Argument From Design - by Minimalist - August 12, 2011 at 6:19 pm
RE: The Argument From Design - by popeyespappy - August 12, 2011 at 9:01 pm

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