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My take on regret
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RE: My take on regret
(October 19, 2017 at 8:03 pm)Hammy Wrote:
(October 19, 2017 at 6:03 pm)Mr.Obvious Wrote: While I don't believe in what I often coin 'true free will', I don't think you can't not ultimately take credit for your own actions.

Well I absolutely do believe that it is precisely ultimately that I cannot even remotely take credit for my own actions. At all. So again... let's say I am not mistaken. Let's say I am right. Let's say I really don't have any regrets whatsoever. (I used to and it wasn't irrational in practical terms but it was illogical in formal terms) What then? What would you make of that? If I can't convince you that that is indeed the actual case in my case... then can we at least for sake of argument ask what you would conclude if I really don't have any regrets whatsoever?

Well, then you'd hypothetically be the complete slave I mentioned in my OP. I don't think you are... But that's what it would be, in my POV

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(October 19, 2017 at 6:03 pm)Mr.Obvious Wrote: If we coin the 'free will' we have as an 'illusion of free will'

You see... I don't even experience the illusion of it anymore. Or, it's more correct to say that I now realize that I never experienced such an illusion. I was mistaken.

I feel very much like I'm spectating myself and every thought that comes into my head just pops out of nowhere. Of course in reality those thoughts were determined by prior causes but as a matter of subjective experience I now realize that I do not and never have experienced myself being the cause of my own thoughts.

I don't believe anyone has EVER experienced such an illusion of free will either. I think they think they do. As I thought I did. They think they experience such an illusion. Or in other words... it's a delusion not an illusion. What they believe they experience they don't actually experience. It is merely that over the last few years I've come to realize that I've never had such experiences and I was deluded.
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Well, then it sounds like you are trying to picture yourself as something seperate from your thoughts. Something like what I mentioned: a soul trapped and submissive to the determinism of the entire universe around. I would see why that would lead you to a POV like that of what I concider such a beforementioned slave.
I don't think we are different from our thoughts though. There is no 'higher' self that has to undergo a life flashing before its eyes and thoughts and experiences popping up beyond its controle. That self and the sense of powerlessness would be the true delusion.
"If we go down, we go down together!"
- Your mum, last night, suggesting 69.
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My take on regret - by Mr.Obvious - October 18, 2017 at 7:04 am
RE: My take on regret - by Silver - October 18, 2017 at 9:28 am
RE: My take on regret - by Mr.Obvious - October 18, 2017 at 10:17 am
RE: My take on regret - by ErGingerbreadMandude - October 18, 2017 at 10:24 am
RE: My take on regret - by mlmooney89 - October 18, 2017 at 10:36 am
RE: My take on regret - by Mr.Obvious - October 18, 2017 at 11:26 am
RE: My take on regret - by c152 - October 18, 2017 at 11:29 am
RE: My take on regret - by Whateverist - October 18, 2017 at 12:21 pm
RE: My take on regret - by notimportant1234 - October 18, 2017 at 12:25 pm
RE: My take on regret - by Edwardo Piet - October 18, 2017 at 9:51 pm
RE: My take on regret - by Mr.Obvious - October 19, 2017 at 2:19 am
RE: My take on regret - by Edwardo Piet - October 19, 2017 at 4:35 pm
RE: My take on regret - by Mr.Obvious - October 19, 2017 at 6:03 pm
RE: My take on regret - by Edwardo Piet - October 19, 2017 at 8:03 pm
RE: My take on regret - by Mr.Obvious - October 20, 2017 at 1:38 am
RE: My take on regret - by emjay - October 18, 2017 at 11:20 pm
RE: My take on regret - by Fireball - October 18, 2017 at 11:46 pm
RE: My take on regret - by Gawdzilla Sama - October 19, 2017 at 8:01 pm
RE: My take on regret - by The Grand Nudger - October 19, 2017 at 9:34 pm
RE: My take on regret - by Edwardo Piet - October 20, 2017 at 12:40 am
RE: My take on regret - by The Grand Nudger - October 20, 2017 at 7:37 am

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