RE: What would you do if you found out God existed
October 27, 2017 at 7:32 am
(This post was last modified: October 27, 2017 at 7:50 am by Harry Nevis.)
(October 26, 2017 at 12:05 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(October 26, 2017 at 11:42 am)wallym Wrote: When I'm telling my kid to do something, a lot of times, I'm looking on a very large scale. Building good habits that will serve her well in life 15 years down the road. Meanwhile, she can't really comprehend not being the age that she is. So for her everything is very short term. By the time she reaches the age where what I'm telling her makes sense, she probably won't remember that I ever even told her.
If there's a God, and this existing stuff is going to last for eternity. That's like billions of years not even qualifying as a beginning. And a being that exists in a way we can't comprehend. Aren't we like a child in that situation. With our super tiny perspective of reality, where 70 years is a lifetime. Where our experiences are everything, not just an infinitesimal fraction of something bigger that we can't even understand.
I think the idea of God is silly wishful thinking. But if there was one, the attitude of "There's no way God could convince me of ... " just seems goofy. That everything you could know about the universe and existence gets changed in ways that you can't comprehend, but you're fairly certain nothing in that infinite amount of unknown could possibly justify the things you don't like based on what you've come up with living in a tiny little box for a couple decades.
I just don't get it. I don't understand the unjustified certainty people have in their own opinions, that even in a hypothetical where everything they've thought has been shaken in ways they can't conceive, they're still almost positive they couldn't be mistaken about a bunch of stuff.
This is exactly what I've tried to explain in another thread. If there is a God, He can see the big picture... the entire universe and all of time. All we can see is an unbelievably tiny glimpse of a tiny part of it. Saying "well God cant exist because if He did He would do this and wouldnt do that, and it doesn't make sense that He'd do things this way, or allow that other thing to happen." I mean, how would we know? We can't see the big picture. How can we know what would or would not make sense?
But, accepting that, attributing qualities like love, goodness and such is disingenuous because, aside from all the biblical instances that show the opposite behaviour of what we would consider those qualities, us not seeing "the big picture" or "his plan" pretty much make attributes like those hopeful guesses at best.
(October 26, 2017 at 1:13 pm)Captain_Nemo Wrote: Now here truth appears again. Ones truth is grasped by a human being in any field, be it social or scientific they gain a powertool, which according to the calculations of any powerstructure they should not have and hence they have to be eliminated, intimidated (example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNDWvejza4c). Now grasping one truth does not make a difference, but if You have a whole bunch of them it makes a difference. That is why even parents with atheistic views send their children to catholic schools, even they can see (I mean God or atheist is just one truth - in my opinion the whole question is much simpler and broader. Its just this - what is Your life about - is it searching for truth then ok, if not then please get out slave, cause nothing else can help You to be free) that their children will gain more in such a school.
No atheist I know sends their kids to catholic school. I know many who pay little thought to religion who do, but it's for reasons of faster paced learning, discipline and perceived safety. None do so because they feel there might be anything true about it.
(October 26, 2017 at 1:13 pm)Captain_Nemo Wrote: What would happen if somebody would like to create a truth generator?
He would die - its what Jesus did and hence his words deserve reverence and should be taken into consideration. Even if one were to assume that he was just a human the nature of truth does not depend on the transmitter. It would not matter if it is a book, on a CD or floppy drive. Truth if it is really the truth is easily verifialable through experimantation. The funny thing about Jesus is, that the cross and his death says it all. Its such a small peace of information that it cannot be manipulated.
Here one just has to look at people who allowed God into their lives to see how it changed. One just has to look for such people they are not popular - the powerstructure is anti-truth. To mind comes Gloria Polo from Columbia. Saint Paul said, just try it out and see. You gotta stick to it for a while though, its like going to the GYM You want see any difference unless You change diet and really work out. Its like GYM for the spirit, once it kicks in its like a drug it just causes those strange things that make You gasp with awe.
The funny thing is, the supposed cross and death of Jesus says nothing to me, as, if it all happened the way it is written, makes little sense in the way of sacrifice or atonement. And that piece of "information" has been manipulated by believer since it "happened".
Belief can change people, no matter what they believe. But cherry picking the good things that happen to believers out of the horrendous history of religious belief is disingenuous. Yes you have to "stick with it". Brainwashing and blocking off critical thinking takes determination sometimes.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing." - Samuel Porter Putnam