(November 1, 2017 at 3:16 pm)Minimalist Wrote:Quote:I never said we should believe in every single thing that there is no concrete proof of.
That's the problem, C/L. You're cherry-picking. We have as much actual evidence for your jesus as we do for Zeus. But I don't see you saying we should give Zeus a fair shake.
The standard for scientific exploration is not what you find acceptable.
I don't mean to turn this into a evangelization type thread, but I just wanna say the bolded is simply not true. The vast majority of historians do agree that Jesus was a real person and that at the very least he was crucified.
Quote:The baptism of Jesus and his crucifixion are considered to be two historically certain facts about Jesus.[9][10] James Dunn states that these "two facts in the life of Jesus command almost universal assent" and "rank so high on the 'almost impossible to doubt or deny' scale of historical facts" that they are often the starting points for the study of the historical Jesus.[9] Bart Ehrman states that the crucifixion of Jesus on the orders of Pontius Pilate is the most certain element about him.[11] John Dominic Crossan states that the crucifixion of Jesus is as certain as any historical fact can be.[12] Eddy and Boyd state that it is now "firmly established" that there is non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[13] Craig Blomberg states that most scholars in the third quest for the historical Jesus consider the crucifixion indisputable.[4] Christopher M. Tuckett states that, although the exact reasons for the death of Jesus are hard to determine, one of the indisputable facts about him is that he was crucified.[14]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion_of_Jesus
There is no historical evidence of Zeus having been a real person.
I don't think you can put Jesus and Zeus on equal grounds and say that I'm being completely unreasonable in believing in the existence of one but not the other.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh