RE: Massive controversy between Christians right now: Is Hell eternal punishment?
August 14, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Mark 9:43-45
King James Version (KJV)
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Hell would have to be eternal, wouldn't it? So as to illicit eternal faithfulness from the believer who fears it, should they transgress and be found unworthy of Heaven. (Which they already are because their name is not amid the 144,000 in the Book of Life. Of course, Christians are competing with JW's amid that number.)
Hell is the promise of infinite suffering for the transgressed, the unrepentant sinner, who does not relinquish their sinful nature, born from their being created imperfect in the image and likeness of perfection. (makes sense, right?) After having committed finite errors as god's imperfection in the flesh.
Thus, when god in Jesus garb came to earth with the help of a "sinless" woman, (We're imperfect but god couldn't manifest himself save through the traditional birth canal, yet had to arrive via the one woman that was not only without sin from birth, how's that accomplished exactly, but was a perpetual virgin. Meaning no matter how many non-angel sperm implanted boys she gave birth to post JC, her cherry kept growing back.Yeahhh! Perpetual...virgin) and suffered and died on a Roman capital punishment device, meant for the lowest form of criminal so as to send a message as he hung there that this is love!
This is how god changes his mind about condemning humanity infinitely, for finite errors in their flawed god created human nature. He suffers and dies as a symbol of love, and thereby takes away the worlds sins.
No conditions to that. No, I take away the worlds sins contingent upon these terms and conditions.... Those came later. At first, it was simply god came to die as Jesus to take away the worlds sins!
Later, the scriptures, (thank you Paul), declare the conditions. That as long as someone believes this happened. That god Jesus died to cleanse the world of it's sins, then they are saved from sin.
Which means they can no longer sin. (Well, that's how it's suppose to work, but up is down down is up and 2+2 = 5. It's a mystery, it's part of god's plan, he's god and he can do the math any way he likes because he's the creator of the numbers, the sums and the calculations.)
Now, this should all mean, if we take the first myth that god died to take away the worlds sins, that Hell disappeared. No sins, no reason to go to Hell, right? Well no! Of course not!
Because of all those souls, like Moses, and Abraham, and Isaac, and Isaiah, and King David, and all the OT Patriarchs need a place to keep roasting, because prior to god taking away the worlds sins as part of his new covenant, or testament, all those servants of god died unrepentant as natural born sinners.
So hell is eternal.
And it has to be so as to scare people who first accept the whole god, Jesus, sin, Heaven, Hell fable, to accept the tenets of the cult faith and abide by all it's rules, else that horrific burning pit awaits.
Which is why the cross, a symbol of terrorism in ancient Rome, the capital punishment device reserved for the lowest criminal element, stands as a symbol of the faith. Because visually, it is suppose to stimulate believers into remembering, no matter how bad their life gets, no matter how much they're suffering worldly travails, that god/Jesus suffered worse, to make a better place for them if they just hold the faith, when they're dead and all that suffering presently plaguing their lives is over. Meanwhile, prayer saves. Hope soothes and faith it's all true, dumbs down the majority of the world into accepting the mediocre as god's will. The poverty, as part of god's plan. No matter how many prayers ascend to Heaven, that poverty, despair, starvation, homelessness, infirmity, disease, pandemic AIDS, be gone, be alleviated, that the sufferers be saved from that suffering, that when it does not abate, it's part of god's will and no matter what those who suffer now will be rejoicing after the life that endured so much pain.
Or, not!
Because unrepentant, they'll suffer worse in eternal Hell.
Talk about incentive to hold faith in what saves from eternal flames and unquenchable thirst. Especially if while alive one is impoverished with very little to drink!
Isaiah 33:14
King James Version (KJV)
The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
Of course, it's all bullshit.
However, there are people who need to feel worthless for being who they are, so as to strive to be worth something more in the eyes of their creator when they're dead, so as to have a goal for living day to day.
Those people are called Christians. But first, god called them sheep. That choice sacrificial animal offered up to him, because as he proved in the Cain and Able myth, the scent of roasting meat and blood is pleasing to the senses of the lord. That must be why god dwells in Hell. (Psalm 135:7-8) The aromatics.
Mmmm, mmmm, tasty!
I love god! He created me to be his BBQ.
King James Version (KJV)
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Hell would have to be eternal, wouldn't it? So as to illicit eternal faithfulness from the believer who fears it, should they transgress and be found unworthy of Heaven. (Which they already are because their name is not amid the 144,000 in the Book of Life. Of course, Christians are competing with JW's amid that number.)
Hell is the promise of infinite suffering for the transgressed, the unrepentant sinner, who does not relinquish their sinful nature, born from their being created imperfect in the image and likeness of perfection. (makes sense, right?) After having committed finite errors as god's imperfection in the flesh.
Thus, when god in Jesus garb came to earth with the help of a "sinless" woman, (We're imperfect but god couldn't manifest himself save through the traditional birth canal, yet had to arrive via the one woman that was not only without sin from birth, how's that accomplished exactly, but was a perpetual virgin. Meaning no matter how many non-angel sperm implanted boys she gave birth to post JC, her cherry kept growing back.Yeahhh! Perpetual...virgin) and suffered and died on a Roman capital punishment device, meant for the lowest form of criminal so as to send a message as he hung there that this is love!
This is how god changes his mind about condemning humanity infinitely, for finite errors in their flawed god created human nature. He suffers and dies as a symbol of love, and thereby takes away the worlds sins.
No conditions to that. No, I take away the worlds sins contingent upon these terms and conditions.... Those came later. At first, it was simply god came to die as Jesus to take away the worlds sins!
Later, the scriptures, (thank you Paul), declare the conditions. That as long as someone believes this happened. That god Jesus died to cleanse the world of it's sins, then they are saved from sin.
Which means they can no longer sin. (Well, that's how it's suppose to work, but up is down down is up and 2+2 = 5. It's a mystery, it's part of god's plan, he's god and he can do the math any way he likes because he's the creator of the numbers, the sums and the calculations.)
Now, this should all mean, if we take the first myth that god died to take away the worlds sins, that Hell disappeared. No sins, no reason to go to Hell, right? Well no! Of course not!
Because of all those souls, like Moses, and Abraham, and Isaac, and Isaiah, and King David, and all the OT Patriarchs need a place to keep roasting, because prior to god taking away the worlds sins as part of his new covenant, or testament, all those servants of god died unrepentant as natural born sinners.
So hell is eternal.
And it has to be so as to scare people who first accept the whole god, Jesus, sin, Heaven, Hell fable, to accept the tenets of the cult faith and abide by all it's rules, else that horrific burning pit awaits.
Which is why the cross, a symbol of terrorism in ancient Rome, the capital punishment device reserved for the lowest criminal element, stands as a symbol of the faith. Because visually, it is suppose to stimulate believers into remembering, no matter how bad their life gets, no matter how much they're suffering worldly travails, that god/Jesus suffered worse, to make a better place for them if they just hold the faith, when they're dead and all that suffering presently plaguing their lives is over. Meanwhile, prayer saves. Hope soothes and faith it's all true, dumbs down the majority of the world into accepting the mediocre as god's will. The poverty, as part of god's plan. No matter how many prayers ascend to Heaven, that poverty, despair, starvation, homelessness, infirmity, disease, pandemic AIDS, be gone, be alleviated, that the sufferers be saved from that suffering, that when it does not abate, it's part of god's will and no matter what those who suffer now will be rejoicing after the life that endured so much pain.
Or, not!
Because unrepentant, they'll suffer worse in eternal Hell.
Talk about incentive to hold faith in what saves from eternal flames and unquenchable thirst. Especially if while alive one is impoverished with very little to drink!
Isaiah 33:14
King James Version (KJV)
The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
Of course, it's all bullshit.
However, there are people who need to feel worthless for being who they are, so as to strive to be worth something more in the eyes of their creator when they're dead, so as to have a goal for living day to day.
Those people are called Christians. But first, god called them sheep. That choice sacrificial animal offered up to him, because as he proved in the Cain and Able myth, the scent of roasting meat and blood is pleasing to the senses of the lord. That must be why god dwells in Hell. (Psalm 135:7-8) The aromatics.
Mmmm, mmmm, tasty! I love god! He created me to be his BBQ.
"In life you can never be too kind or too fair; everyone you meet is carrying a heavy load. When you go through your day expressing kindness and courtesy to all you meet, you leave behind a feeling of warmth and good cheer, and you help alleviate the burdens everyone is struggling with."
Brian Tracy
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