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Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children?
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RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children
(November 19, 2017 at 5:25 pm)Bow Before Zeus Wrote:
(November 19, 2017 at 9:49 am)SteveII Wrote: Wow, you will fit in here! An obnoxious and inflammatory title that is not in any way supported by the post!

1. Your shock at a Catholic school teaching NT stories is, well, shocking.
2. You never connected how The Stations of the Cross (a series of purported historical events) was "in short, child abuse" or could lead to "mentally handicapped". You simply asserted your opinion in an effort to support your conclusion.  
3. With your deep background in theology, you examined the "xtian texts". You found "unethical actions" based on your ethical theory. Okay, even if I grant you that, you have in no way supported your conclusion: "Christian Parents Abuse Their Children". 
4. By your own shitty logic, you, being ultimately responsible for your child, were abusing your child by sending her to that school. Congrats. 

In an effort to salvage your post from breaking the forum rules, do you have any actual arguments to support your post title. In case you need the reminder:

ar·gu·ment
ˈärɡyəmənt/
noun
plural noun: arguments


[*]2.
a reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong.
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The title of the post is supported by the text in the post. Richard Dawkins' assertion is that it is child abuse to teach religion as fact as many xtian and muslim parents do. I thought I made that obvious.
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If you think that your posts made any kind of argument, you are really bad at this. "Dawkins said so" is not an argument. Exactly, Richard Dawkins' assertion. You repeating it does not magically turn it into an argument. Most of his arguments are against extreme examples or caricatures of Christianity. The rest are badly reasoned. Even atheist philosophers blanch at his books. 

Quote:"(a series of purported historical events)" is an example of this mental abuse. The bible is NOT a historical document. Far from it. Many of the events have not and can not be verified by actual historical documents. So something like stations of the cross is a mentally aberrant teaching which could never be verified even a few years after the event let along a few thousand years. Reality is, it never happened and yet it is being taught as fact in catholic schools. 
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First, Jesus being crucified is one of the most attested to facts of the ancient world. Most atheist historians think that it happened. This fact alone completely obliterates the thesis that to teach it to children is "in short, child abuse" or could lead to "mentally handicapped". Second, you are continuing to fail to tell us HOW this is abuse even if the parents or school was wrong. 

Quote:"background in theology" - a nice ad homonym attack. Reality is that a degree in theology is equivalent to a degree in voodoo magic. Neither of them studies a scientifically verifiable fact. They are based on current mythologies. So no, I prefer using the critical thinking I have been taught in a scientific based degree to logically analyse and critique mythological texts. I read the xtian NT 3 times to find some sort of coherent meaning. There was none. And for your information, the "ethical theory" which I used was not mine. I wish I could lay claim to it! No, I used the most rigorous ethical system that I had read about to date and that was to be found in Buddhism (also Jainism). The ethical logic in these systems condemns the triumvirate of Abrahamic religions and shines a light on the unwholesomeness of their teachings. Teaching children unwholesome teachings is certainly abusive.
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You admitted your Biblical IQ was low in your quaint little story. Since it was clear you have no background in systematic theology or biblical hermeneutics, your analysis couldn't have been thorough...but it does not matter--I granted you (for the sake of this argument only) that you found stories that raise moral questions. The fact that  you did not find any meaning in the NT, is an individual matter (because millions do). You are going to have to list out some of the "unwholesome teachings" that rise to the level of abuse. Simply asserting that there are some (over and over) is horrible discussion/argumentation skills. 

Quote:I don't see how I am breaking rules when all I have done is discussed a topic that Richard Dawkins has raised and give examples of how it has affected my family in the past. Certainly it is not my intention to offend but by the same token, I will not sit back and pretend this does not happen. I will also not give it more palatable names or disguise it for what it is in a 1984 style newspeak. If this is what gets me banned then I will wear that as a badge of honour, knowing that I have not sat back silently while children are mentally abused. It only takes ethical people to sit back and say nothing for this sort of abuse to continue.
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You did NOT give an argument. You said that Dawkins says it. Actually I have The God Delusion open. What page does Dawkins say specifically that "Christians abuse their children" in the same blanket way that you said it? Perhaps with that, we can get some details and you can avoid breaking the rules.
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RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by SteveII - November 19, 2017 at 9:49 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by SteveII - November 19, 2017 at 8:13 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 19, 2017 at 10:57 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Succubus - November 19, 2017 at 11:19 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 19, 2017 at 11:36 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by LadyForCamus - November 19, 2017 at 9:31 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 19, 2017 at 9:38 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Succubus - November 19, 2017 at 10:14 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by LadyForCamus - November 19, 2017 at 11:17 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Succubus - November 20, 2017 at 12:59 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Fake Messiah - November 20, 2017 at 2:57 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2017 at 5:43 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by LadyForCamus - November 20, 2017 at 3:32 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2017 at 3:35 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by LadyForCamus - November 20, 2017 at 4:27 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Edwardo Piet - November 20, 2017 at 5:53 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by brewer - November 19, 2017 at 11:33 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Aoi Magi - November 19, 2017 at 11:59 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 19, 2017 at 4:43 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by LastPoet - November 19, 2017 at 4:54 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Succubus - November 19, 2017 at 6:28 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Minimalist - November 19, 2017 at 5:04 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by LastPoet - November 19, 2017 at 5:05 pm
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RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Aegon - November 19, 2017 at 10:06 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by John V - November 20, 2017 at 9:00 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by SteveII - November 20, 2017 at 9:41 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Fake Messiah - November 20, 2017 at 10:03 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by John V - November 20, 2017 at 10:49 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Edwardo Piet - November 20, 2017 at 4:33 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by SteveII - November 20, 2017 at 5:19 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Fake Messiah - November 20, 2017 at 6:42 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by shadow - November 20, 2017 at 8:20 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Fake Messiah - November 21, 2017 at 9:22 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2017 at 9:31 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Fake Messiah - November 22, 2017 at 4:29 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Neo-Scholastic - November 20, 2017 at 11:00 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Succubus - November 20, 2017 at 11:37 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by shadow - November 21, 2017 at 12:00 am
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RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Succubus - November 21, 2017 at 2:38 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by John V - November 19, 2017 at 8:53 pm
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RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Edwardo Piet - November 20, 2017 at 5:20 am
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RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Grandizer - November 20, 2017 at 7:34 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by vulcanlogician - November 21, 2017 at 10:12 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by brewer - November 20, 2017 at 5:16 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Edwardo Piet - November 20, 2017 at 7:40 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by LadyForCamus - November 20, 2017 at 3:38 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by shadow - November 20, 2017 at 5:20 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2017 at 10:18 am
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RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2017 at 10:53 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Drich - November 20, 2017 at 4:23 pm
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RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Edwardo Piet - November 20, 2017 at 5:06 pm
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RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by The Valkyrie - November 20, 2017 at 8:41 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2017 at 8:43 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by John V - November 21, 2017 at 6:50 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2017 at 8:52 am
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RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by vorlon13 - November 21, 2017 at 10:33 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2017 at 10:45 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Neo-Scholastic - November 21, 2017 at 12:17 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2017 at 1:32 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2017 at 10:15 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Abaddon_ire - November 22, 2017 at 5:25 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Aoi Magi - November 21, 2017 at 12:22 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Shell B - November 21, 2017 at 1:22 pm
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RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Grandizer - November 21, 2017 at 12:49 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Grandizer - November 21, 2017 at 6:27 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2017 at 11:34 pm
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RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by Cod - November 22, 2017 at 5:10 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by chorlton - November 27, 2017 at 12:02 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by SteveII - November 27, 2017 at 12:48 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by Abaddon_ire - November 27, 2017 at 12:52 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by chorlton - November 27, 2017 at 12:51 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by SteveII - November 27, 2017 at 1:30 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by chorlton - November 27, 2017 at 12:52 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by SteveII - November 27, 2017 at 1:12 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by chorlton - November 27, 2017 at 12:55 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by chorlton - November 27, 2017 at 1:23 pm
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RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by SteveII - November 27, 2017 at 1:39 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by John V - November 27, 2017 at 1:41 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by SteveII - November 27, 2017 at 1:50 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by chorlton - November 27, 2017 at 1:47 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by chorlton - November 27, 2017 at 1:51 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by John V - November 27, 2017 at 2:06 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by Shell B - November 27, 2017 at 2:39 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by SteveII - November 27, 2017 at 4:18 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by chorlton - November 27, 2017 at 2:12 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by Losty - November 27, 2017 at 5:43 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by Shell B - November 27, 2017 at 4:46 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by SteveII - November 27, 2017 at 5:02 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by chorlton - November 27, 2017 at 4:49 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by Shell B - November 27, 2017 at 4:52 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by Grandizer - November 27, 2017 at 6:10 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by Grandizer - November 27, 2017 at 6:41 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by Shell B - November 28, 2017 at 11:47 am
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by Grandizer - November 29, 2017 at 5:31 am
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by SteveII - November 28, 2017 at 11:54 am
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by Shell B - November 29, 2017 at 12:33 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by vorlon13 - November 28, 2017 at 12:26 pm

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