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Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children?
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RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children
(November 20, 2017 at 3:39 am)Bow Before Zeus Wrote:
(November 19, 2017 at 8:13 pm)SteveII Wrote: If you think that your posts made any kind of argument, you are really bad at this. "Dawkins said so" is not an argument. Exactly, Richard Dawkins' assertion. You repeating it does not magically turn it into an argument. Most of his arguments are against extreme examples or caricatures of Christianity. The rest are badly reasoned. Even atheist philosophers blanch at his books. 

First, Jesus being crucified is one of the most attested to facts of the ancient world. Most atheist historians think that it happened. This fact alone completely obliterates the thesis that to teach it to children is "in short, child abuse" or could lead to "mentally handicapped". Second, you are continuing to fail to tell us HOW this is abuse even if the parents or school was wrong. 

You admitted your Biblical IQ was low in your quaint little story. Since it was clear you have no background in systematic theology or biblical hermeneutics, your analysis couldn't have been thorough...but it does not matter--I granted you (for the sake of this argument only) that you found stories that raise moral questions. The fact that  you did not find any meaning in the NT, is an individual matter (because millions do). You are going to have to list out some of the "unwholesome teachings" that rise to the level of abuse. Simply asserting that there are some (over and over) is horrible discussion/argumentation skills. 

You did NOT give an argument. You said that Dawkins says it. Actually I have The God Delusion open. What page does Dawkins say specifically that "Christians abuse their children" in the same blanket way that you said it? Perhaps with that, we can get some details and you can avoid breaking the rules.

I don't use "Dawkins said so" as a support for his argument. That doesn't make any sense. It's like saying "the bible says so - so it must be true". See? It doesn't make any sense.

There is no historical proof of JC's life let alone how he died. How then can anyone state there were 14 or 15 or 12 or any "stations of the cross"? This is an absurdity. You don't even know what you had for lunch a year ago, how would anyone know what JC did 2,000 years ago?

"The fact that  you did not find any meaning in the NT, is an individual matter" - No, it is a matter of simple logic. Unless you do a great deal of mental gymnastics, there is little to no consistent, coherent meaning in the bible. It's why I had to read the NT 3 times - just to make sure I wasn't missing something.

He does not say it in the god delusion. He says it in interviews and in articles.

I have defined unwholesome thoughts, words and actions as being those that harm or kill living beings. Your god is responsible for the death of millions of living beings in one supposed act of his - the great flood. But this is just one of his many heinous crimes.

I didn't think you had an argument. What's worse is that you don't even realize it. A parting lesson on arguments:

1. troll: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument
2. BBZ has now posted two threads with very provocative titles with no attempt to justify them--using them as a platform to complain about other aspects of religion not related to the thread title.
3. Whereas one such thread could be a misstep, two is a pattern.
4. Therefore BBZ is a troll.

Logically sound. Conclusion follows from the premises.
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RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by SteveII - November 19, 2017 at 9:49 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by SteveII - November 19, 2017 at 8:13 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 19, 2017 at 10:57 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Succubus - November 19, 2017 at 11:19 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 19, 2017 at 11:36 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by LadyForCamus - November 19, 2017 at 9:31 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 19, 2017 at 9:38 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Succubus - November 19, 2017 at 10:14 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by LadyForCamus - November 19, 2017 at 11:17 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Succubus - November 20, 2017 at 12:59 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Fake Messiah - November 20, 2017 at 2:57 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2017 at 5:43 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by LadyForCamus - November 20, 2017 at 3:32 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2017 at 3:35 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by LadyForCamus - November 20, 2017 at 4:27 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Edwardo Piet - November 20, 2017 at 5:53 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by brewer - November 19, 2017 at 11:33 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Aoi Magi - November 19, 2017 at 11:59 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 19, 2017 at 4:43 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by LastPoet - November 19, 2017 at 4:54 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Succubus - November 19, 2017 at 6:28 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Minimalist - November 19, 2017 at 5:04 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by LastPoet - November 19, 2017 at 5:05 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by LastPoet - November 19, 2017 at 6:13 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by LastPoet - November 19, 2017 at 6:33 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Aegon - November 19, 2017 at 10:06 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by John V - November 20, 2017 at 9:00 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by SteveII - November 20, 2017 at 9:41 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Fake Messiah - November 20, 2017 at 10:03 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by John V - November 20, 2017 at 10:49 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Edwardo Piet - November 20, 2017 at 4:33 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by SteveII - November 20, 2017 at 5:19 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Fake Messiah - November 20, 2017 at 6:42 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by shadow - November 20, 2017 at 8:20 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Fake Messiah - November 21, 2017 at 9:22 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2017 at 9:31 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Fake Messiah - November 22, 2017 at 4:29 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Neo-Scholastic - November 20, 2017 at 11:00 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Succubus - November 20, 2017 at 11:37 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by shadow - November 21, 2017 at 12:00 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by shadow - November 21, 2017 at 11:38 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Succubus - November 21, 2017 at 2:38 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by John V - November 19, 2017 at 8:53 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Amarok - November 19, 2017 at 11:18 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by shadow - November 20, 2017 at 3:20 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Edwardo Piet - November 20, 2017 at 5:20 am
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RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Grandizer - November 20, 2017 at 7:34 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by vulcanlogician - November 21, 2017 at 10:12 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by brewer - November 20, 2017 at 5:16 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Edwardo Piet - November 20, 2017 at 7:40 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by LadyForCamus - November 20, 2017 at 3:38 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by shadow - November 20, 2017 at 5:20 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2017 at 10:18 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by ƵenKlassen - November 20, 2017 at 10:43 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2017 at 10:53 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Drich - November 20, 2017 at 4:23 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Crossless2.0 - November 20, 2017 at 5:02 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Drich - November 21, 2017 at 10:29 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by J a c k - November 20, 2017 at 4:28 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Edwardo Piet - November 20, 2017 at 5:06 pm
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RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Edwardo Piet - November 20, 2017 at 5:22 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by The Valkyrie - November 20, 2017 at 8:41 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2017 at 8:43 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by John V - November 21, 2017 at 6:50 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2017 at 8:52 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2017 at 9:51 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by vorlon13 - November 21, 2017 at 10:33 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2017 at 10:45 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Neo-Scholastic - November 21, 2017 at 12:17 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2017 at 1:32 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2017 at 10:15 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Abaddon_ire - November 22, 2017 at 5:25 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Aoi Magi - November 21, 2017 at 12:22 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Shell B - November 21, 2017 at 1:22 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by possibletarian - November 21, 2017 at 10:31 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Grandizer - November 21, 2017 at 12:49 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Grandizer - November 21, 2017 at 6:27 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2017 at 11:34 pm
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by LuisDantas - November 22, 2017 at 12:36 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Catholic_Lady - November 22, 2017 at 5:58 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by J a c k - November 22, 2017 at 10:13 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Cod - November 22, 2017 at 10:43 am
RE: Christian Parents Abuse their Children - by Cod - November 22, 2017 at 6:37 am
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by Cod - November 22, 2017 at 5:10 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by chorlton - November 27, 2017 at 12:02 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by SteveII - November 27, 2017 at 12:48 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by Abaddon_ire - November 27, 2017 at 12:52 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by chorlton - November 27, 2017 at 12:51 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by SteveII - November 27, 2017 at 1:30 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by chorlton - November 27, 2017 at 12:52 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by SteveII - November 27, 2017 at 1:12 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by chorlton - November 27, 2017 at 12:55 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by chorlton - November 27, 2017 at 1:23 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by chorlton - November 27, 2017 at 1:31 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by SteveII - November 27, 2017 at 1:39 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by John V - November 27, 2017 at 1:41 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by SteveII - November 27, 2017 at 1:50 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by chorlton - November 27, 2017 at 1:47 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by chorlton - November 27, 2017 at 1:51 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by John V - November 27, 2017 at 2:06 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by Shell B - November 27, 2017 at 2:39 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by SteveII - November 27, 2017 at 4:18 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by chorlton - November 27, 2017 at 2:12 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by Losty - November 27, 2017 at 5:43 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by Shell B - November 27, 2017 at 4:46 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by SteveII - November 27, 2017 at 5:02 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by chorlton - November 27, 2017 at 4:49 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by Shell B - November 27, 2017 at 4:52 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by Grandizer - November 27, 2017 at 6:10 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by Grandizer - November 27, 2017 at 6:41 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by Shell B - November 28, 2017 at 11:47 am
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by Grandizer - November 29, 2017 at 5:31 am
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by SteveII - November 28, 2017 at 11:54 am
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by Shell B - November 29, 2017 at 12:33 pm
RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children? - by vorlon13 - November 28, 2017 at 12:26 pm

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