(November 20, 2017 at 1:51 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(November 20, 2017 at 1:35 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: And why couldn't that just be the cosmos? if you're willing to accept that a god could have those attributes, why couldn't our universe have them? The problem begins when we start asserting other things on top of those qualities, such as agency, will, desires, a plan, and an ability to interact with existence while remaining physically undetectable.
My bold.
Where would the cosmos have come from though?
In the natural, physical world, things have an origin. There is no evidence that anything can materialize out of nothing, only evidence to the contrary.
But if we consider the possibility of something beyond the natural, physical world, it opens up a possibility that there may be something that might not be bound by these laws of nature. I find that more likely.
Still missing the point.
You cant be hypocritical and claim God didn't have a cause if you are going to claim everything has a cause.
Otherwise the magical claim that Thor is the cause of lightening would be valid. Otherwise the ocean God Poseidon would be a valid gap answer to explain the cause of hurricanes would be valid.
I'd say the cause of belief of God/s/god/s/deities and all supernatural isn't as complicated as those things being real. I would say humans imagination and ignorance is the cause of why humans believe fantastic claims.
I'd say the easier answer as to why humans believe in the super natural, isn't that those are valid claims, but because those claims are vastly handed down to them by their parents prior to being able to think critically.
But, again, if you are going to claim God doesn't need a cause, it would seem a far easier to say the same about the universe not needing one.
Ocham's Razor is a cornerstone of modern scientific method. It basically says not to ad extra baggage to a problem in order to figure out a solution to that problem.
Once you insert a super natural cognition in as a starting point you are starting with a complex presupposition. In real science, you fuck up your data and formula from the start by assuming extra crap.
I am sure you don't assume Poseidon in as the cause of hurricanes. But there were humans in antiquity who literally believed in an ocean God who had super natural powers and the super natural cognition to control the seas.
I'd say you simply fell for a story long ago with simply a different flavor and history.