(November 23, 2017 at 7:51 am)possibletarian Wrote:(November 23, 2017 at 2:13 am)Godscreated Wrote: Self pride is the original sin, they decided they wanted to be like God and willfully disobeyed Him. The bold is the what caused them to sin, not God nor Lucifer, their pride got in the way of their good sense. They walked with God in the Garden every evening talking with Him and learning from Him, they knew they had all the could ever need, yet they decided they wanted more and of the wrong thing.
GC
Yes, but what's your point insofar as it relates to the O.P. it does not change the definition of original sin?
You believe there actually was an Adam and Eve a few thousand years ago, who were the first man and woman despite all the evidence to the contrary about human history is the point.
I wasn't trying to change the definition, I gave it a name that describes the sin it's self.
Of coarse I believe that Adam and Eve were real people that live some 6000 years or so ago. Evidence, what evidence? Are you referring to the dating systems used, surely you know the flaws in those systems. There is no evidence that man evolved either, only the opinion of people who want to write their own versions of history.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.