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Religion stifles Moral Evolution
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution
(December 1, 2017 at 8:49 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Joods, it goes along with our understanding that human sexuality has 2 functional purposes that go together - to procreate, and to form a mutual bond with the person you have pledged to spend your life with (to help keep you together through the emotional bonding effects of the hormone oxytocin). Healthy, intact families are extremely important to society because they are the best environment to raising the next generation of people, and sexuality is meant to serve that purpose in those 2 ways.

Taken outside of those 2 functions, sex has caused a lot of harm to society. From rape as the absolute worst, to STD's, over population, unwanted/out of wedlock pregnancies, to men and women feeling used.


No. Religion has caused a lot of harm to society. Religion just likes to blame sex for everything. Rape has been discussed to death on these boards so I'm leaving that alone, knowing my personal history with that one. 
STD's can and do happen among married couples. That isn't a single person sort of thing. In your religion, married couples cheat on each other all the time, but they get forgiven with just a few hail Mary's and Our Father's issued after time in a confessional. 
The church's refusal to acknowledge birth control is needed and people shouldn't rely solely on abstaining, especially in modern times, because, well, people actually evolve, hasn't exactly helped society. Religion places guilt on people that they are going to hell for a myriad of sins. You have a woman who gets knocked up and is made to feel ashamed and bad for getting pregnant when in fact, society, thanks in part to religion, makes it impossible for single women to get free birth control so that "unwanted" pregnancies could have been avoided to begin with.

But priests who molest and rape little boys get a free pass because the Vatican refuses to punish those priests. They are just relocated elsewhere and never face any sort of legal ramifications for their actions. The Vatican fully goes along with trying to cover it up. So how is it that they aren't held responsible for the rape and abuse of little boys everywhere? Their actions go directly against the Church's "2 functional purposes". 

Quote:None of this is to say premarital sex should be illegal. And as I've said before, I'm behind giving gay couples all the same benefits/rights. Seperation of church and state makes sense.

But as far as sexual morality is concerned, thats why we believe it is best left reserved for the bonds of marriage as a mutual self giving act between one man and one woman.

Okay, but you do understand that religion doesn't have exclusivity over sex and marriage, right? Because people existed long before Christianity did. NAI held marriage ceremonies between both same sex couples and heterosexual couples and were fine with doing so until our ancestors came into this country and thrust bibles in their hands and told them they were all sinners.

Also... I asked specifically about the Natural Law, because if you look out in nature, at dolphins for example, they are known to have same sex relationships. So if they are doing what comes natural to them and doing something that nature has provided for, who are we, as part of the same animal kingdom they live in, to put governor on other people for simply doing what comes natural to them? I absolutely do not agree that people exist for the sole purpose of breeding kids. 

People can't help who they fall in love with. They shouldn't be "punished" for that just become some religious people find it offensive and quite frankly, it isn't anyone else's business about who other people love. Morally or not people need to stay out of business that isn't theirs to begin with. 

The only time this should ever get an over ride is when you have a minor that is gay and the parents have every right to know who they are with and what they are doing. How about that. I'm the mother of a gay teenager. I have had to set strict limits for my kid in regards to this. He gets full support from the entire family and knows that he can be himself at home, at school and out in public. Once he's out of my house and living on his own, who he dates and what he does with them will no longer be my business. I'll always worry about him, but at that point, I can't tell him what to do anymore and I have allow him to live his life. 

Morals, according to religion, should not ever get to trump someone's rights to love who they want to love. 
Morals, according to religion, should not ever get to be used to guilt anyone for feeling the way they do. 
Morals, according to religion, should not ever get to be involved in the making of laws in a secular society because religion is not the be all and the end all of how life should be lived.
Disclaimer: I am only responsible for what I say, not what you choose to understand. 
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Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Cecelia - December 1, 2017 at 12:21 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 12:25 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 8:13 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Brian37 - December 1, 2017 at 9:49 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Joods - December 1, 2017 at 8:23 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Neo-Scholastic - December 1, 2017 at 1:41 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Joods - December 1, 2017 at 1:53 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Aroura - December 1, 2017 at 8:34 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 8:49 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Whateverist - December 1, 2017 at 9:34 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Joods - December 1, 2017 at 10:47 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Aroura - December 1, 2017 at 11:26 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 12:39 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Brian37 - December 1, 2017 at 12:50 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 12:58 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Brian37 - December 1, 2017 at 1:24 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Succubus - December 1, 2017 at 6:32 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 7:02 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 9:21 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 9:43 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by drfuzzy - December 1, 2017 at 11:09 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Whateverist - December 1, 2017 at 11:39 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Aroura - December 1, 2017 at 11:49 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Whateverist - December 1, 2017 at 3:04 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Brian37 - December 1, 2017 at 11:52 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Minimalist - December 1, 2017 at 11:43 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 11:44 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by vorlon13 - December 1, 2017 at 12:22 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Minimalist - December 1, 2017 at 12:53 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 12:56 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Brian37 - December 1, 2017 at 1:12 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by vorlon13 - December 1, 2017 at 1:39 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Minimalist - December 1, 2017 at 6:04 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 12:57 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by brewer - December 1, 2017 at 1:17 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Aroura - December 1, 2017 at 1:18 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 1:49 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Neo-Scholastic - December 1, 2017 at 2:04 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by brewer - December 1, 2017 at 3:25 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Brian37 - December 1, 2017 at 3:28 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Anomalocaris - December 1, 2017 at 6:53 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Aroura - December 1, 2017 at 2:35 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Cod - December 1, 2017 at 3:58 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Succubus - December 1, 2017 at 6:46 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 6:51 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Succubus - December 1, 2017 at 7:15 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Succubus - December 1, 2017 at 7:16 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Angrboda - December 1, 2017 at 7:35 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 7:39 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Ravenshire - December 1, 2017 at 9:09 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 9:15 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 1:55 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Joods - December 1, 2017 at 2:05 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Brian37 - December 1, 2017 at 2:14 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by LadyForCamus - December 1, 2017 at 3:41 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 4:17 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Astreja - December 1, 2017 at 4:29 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by brewer - December 1, 2017 at 7:41 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 2:53 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 3:13 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by henryp - December 1, 2017 at 3:22 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Brian37 - December 1, 2017 at 3:24 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 3:31 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 4:27 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Cod - December 1, 2017 at 4:29 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by LadyForCamus - December 1, 2017 at 4:38 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 5:02 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Angrboda - December 1, 2017 at 5:38 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Joods - December 1, 2017 at 5:44 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 6:57 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Angrboda - December 1, 2017 at 7:53 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 2, 2017 at 10:18 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Angrboda - December 2, 2017 at 10:43 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 2, 2017 at 7:35 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by LadyForCamus - December 1, 2017 at 6:11 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 4:40 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 5:06 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 5:15 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Cod - December 1, 2017 at 5:10 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 5:21 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 7:16 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 5:46 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Cecelia - December 1, 2017 at 5:49 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 7:27 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Cecelia - December 1, 2017 at 9:17 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Succubus - December 1, 2017 at 7:33 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 6:16 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by LadyForCamus - December 1, 2017 at 6:21 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by vorlon13 - December 1, 2017 at 6:32 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 6:47 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by vorlon13 - December 1, 2017 at 6:53 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 6:59 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Joods - December 1, 2017 at 7:00 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 7:31 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 7:04 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 7:29 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 7:44 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 7:46 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Minimalist - December 1, 2017 at 8:06 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by MysticKnight - December 1, 2017 at 8:07 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Minimalist - December 1, 2017 at 9:31 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 8:17 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by MysticKnight - December 1, 2017 at 9:33 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Astreja - December 2, 2017 at 9:22 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Neo-Scholastic - December 4, 2017 at 2:35 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Astreja - December 4, 2017 at 2:37 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 9:48 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by drfuzzy - December 4, 2017 at 11:14 am

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