(December 2, 2017 at 6:41 pm)Starhunter Wrote:(December 2, 2017 at 3:15 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Yeah I have problem with killing babies, like anyone else that isn't a psychopath or brainwashed Christian. And their parents since people like Canaanites did nothing wrong except being at the wrong place.But if God cleans the earth of its destructive inhabitants, so that future generations can have some semblance of a normal life, we call him a tyrant.
Cleans from destructive inhabitants? He orders killing of babies and then rape of women, I guess women were clean enough but not the babies
Isaiah 13:11–16 I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty. … Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives violated.
When god killed non-Israelite, like that, he killed them because he was jealous
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments. (Exodus 20:4–6)
So indeed why would someone, like you or anyone, worship and apologize for such flawed and evil creature? God proudly announces: "I am a jealous God!" Jealousy is insecurity. It is the fear that someone you love will not love you back, a dread that they will choose someone else. It is possessive and controlling, based on an assumed right of ownership. It is shaky vanity. It is the terror of losing the property that bolsters your sense of self-worth. It's pathetic. Yes, your god is a pathetic loser.
Exodus 34:14–15 For you shall worship no other god, because the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God. You shall not make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to their gods, someone among them will invite you, and you will eat of the sacrifice.
Notice the word "prostitute." That’s like calling a wife or girlfriend a "slut" because she talks to another man.
Deuteronomy 6:15 The Lord your God, who is present with you, is a jealous God. The anger of the Lord your God would be kindled against you and he would destroy you from the face of the earth.
Nahum 1:2 God is jealous, and the Lord revengeth; the Lord revengeth, and is furious; the Lord will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.
Zechariah 1:14–15 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy. And I am very sore displeased with the heathen that are at ease: for I was but a little displeased, and they helped forward the affliction.
And so on. And these were the reasons to kill nations that did not acknowledge him, but when it comes to his "beloved" Israelite he killed them for all sorts of trivial reasons, like when he deliberately made bad laws in order to "horrify" his people
Ezekiel 20:25–26 So I gave them other statutes that were not good and laws through which they could not live; I defiled them through their gifts—the sacrifice of every firstborn—that I might fill them with horror so they would know that I am the Lord.
Or killing 50 000 people for looking at the box, 1 Samuel 6:19 He smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the Lord, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men
Is that just? Is that normal? Is that worth worshiping?
God punishes indiscriminately, both the good and the bad, with his sword
Ezekiel 21:3–5 Thus says the Lord: Behold, I am against you, and will draw forth my sword out of its sheath, and will cut off from you both righteous and wicked. Because I will cut off from you both righteous and wicked, therefore my sword shall go out of its sheath against all flesh from south to north.
He even punished David's wives as for his sin as well as killed his newborn son
2 Samuel 12:11 Thus says the Lord, ‘Behold, I will raise up evil against you out of your own house; and I will take your wives before your eyes, and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun.
Nevertheless, because by this deed you have utterly scorned the Lord, the child that is born to you shall die.
Or when he in 2 Samuel 21:4–14 killed seven of Saul's sons and grandsons to end the famine. Could he not just end it instead of killing people, even children? Or you still see this as cleaning the nation from destructive inhabitants?
I mean you are non Catholic christian meaning you came from the rebellious Protestants, who also want to believe that "all the congregation are holy," inquired that same from the Holy Roman Church. Because you have the same situation when Korah (we could call him precursor to Martin Luther) and 250 leaders of the Levite tribe thought that was not right that Moses was the ordained leader of the Israelites, and all of God's instructions came exclusively through him and his brother Aaron, the high priest - a nice nepotism.
Numbers 16:3 You have gone too far! All the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the Lord is among them. So why then do you exalt yourselves above the assembly of the Lord?
Is that not a good question valued by your own branch of Christianity? Is that not the same question Protestants, who also believed that "all the congregation are holy," asked the pope "Why do clergy exalt themselves above the congregation?"
And yet when that thing happened Moses, like all autocrats and popes throughout history, labeled his detractors "wicked men." Their honest question was called a "sin." The earth cracked open and swallowed good, thinking protestants, because "these men have despised the Lord."
Numbers 16:28–33 As soon as he finished speaking all these words, the ground under them was split apart. The earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up, along with their households—everyone who belonged to Korah and all their goods. So they with all that belonged to them went down alive into Sheol; the earth closed over them, and they perished from the midst of the assembly.
So, as you say it, God is purging the land from people like you.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"