(December 4, 2017 at 8:23 am)MysticKnight Wrote: We don't just want there to be morality, accountability and intrinsic value, we know these things exist. If you come to the table denying all these things because they are not physical, well first prove five senses measures reality, I am 100% sure you cannot. Because even if material things exist without spiritual nature, it would not be defined by five senses and the way they exist would be beyond it. It's not touching that defines essence, neither vision, etc, something else defines it.
But we see ourselves exist, and that is our best bet of what reality is, and it's spiritual. We also have a perpetual identity and it's not simply our want of that to be the case, but is the case that it is something we perceive to be.
Um no, our behaviors are very physical and measurable. You are mistaking abstract language as being the excuse to chalk it up to a sky hero.
Our senses in sight, speech, touch, hearing, and even our emotions are activities that stem from our genes, our input growing up, and our biological and neurological, electro-chemical activity in our brains. Our physical brains and our behaviors as a species are most certainly observable and can be measured.
Being physical isn't claiming humans should behave like emotionless robots. It merely means if we want to understand human behavior, human biology, psychology, and neurology we don't need old books of mythology to explain that.
I loved my mom, I love my cat, I love sushi. The word "love" in those cases is an abstract word. But that abstract word is still a description of real physical events.
If your claimed god, or any were required for me to exist, then I wouldn't. The fact that I do, negates the claim that any God is required to exist. But, just like any other religion, the narcissism that any outsider that does not share that label cant understand or doesn't have the same emotions because they don't buy that label, is utter garbage.
Our species existed long before any written language or written religion. Cats and dogs have emotions too, they can display love, and cruelty too. There is no magic to life and our morality isn't being handed to us from above.