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If there is a God(s) it/they clearly don't want us to believe in them, no?
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If there is a God(s) it/they clearly don't want us to believe in them, no?
What with the whole yawning, gaping, cavernous absence of ANY actual evidence they exist, together with cot deaths, congenital birth defects, malaria, sickle cell anemia, tsunamis and a thousand million other things which amount to the suffering of (relative, at least) innocents. So, in a fortuitous twist of Pascal's wager, it seems to me that, if anybody is "saved," it is those who loudly spread atheism and disrespect/ridicule theism as in keeping with (if there are any) Gods' apparent wishes. How convenient!

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RE: If there is a God(s) it/they clearly don't want us to believe in them, no?
Sounds like more trouble than its worth.
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RE: If there is a God(s) it/they clearly don't want us to believe in them, no?
Yeah, there is that, but still - good argument against religion.

Also religion causes a lot of harm, not least due to the "thoughts and prayers"/not actions situation. So not worth it for the remote possibility of pleasing some almost certainly non existent god(s) but defo worth it for other reasons todo with self esteem at not allowing, say, the oppression of women in Islam, to go unchecked.
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RE: If there is a God(s) it/they clearly don't want us to believe in them, no?
So maybe it's the ultimate Jedi mind trick.
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RE: If there is a God(s) it/they clearly don't want us to believe in them, no?
Maybe it is like the movie Cube only instead of a series of interconnected rooms it is a myriad of rebirths until you somehow find a way out only to be reset back within the multiverse.
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RE: If there is a God(s) it/they clearly don't want us to believe in them, no?
(April 4, 2020 at 10:16 am)Editz Wrote: What with the whole yawning, gaping, cavernous absence of ANY actual evidence they exist, together with cot deaths, congenital birth defects, malaria, sickle cell anemia, tsunamis and a thousand million other things which amount to the suffering of (relative, at least) innocents.

That's why you have confirmation bias to "explain" these kind of things. Like someone wants to believe in a good God and yet there's a girl suffering from a horrible disease and if she gets healed it is seen as a "miracle from God", but if she dies in great pain then it is "God testing our faith" - so that God turns out to be good whether the child lives or dies. Instead of following the logic that tells you there is no God, or at least a good one.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: If there is a God(s) it/they clearly don't want us to believe in them, no?
Ah yes, the "testing of faith" - that's a...novel one  Think

Reminds me for some reason of Jesus allegedly shouting out "Father! Why hast thou forsaken me!" while on the cross, like even he didn't understand his "father's" plan - stupid cunt that he was - millions of simple minded believing Christians get it! lolz.
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RE: If there is a God(s) it/they clearly don't want us to believe in them, no?
(April 4, 2020 at 1:54 pm)Editz Wrote: Reminds me for some reason of Jesus allegedly shouting out "Father! Why hast thou forsaken me!" while on the cross, like even he didn't understand his "father's" plan - stupid cunt that he was - millions of simple minded believing Christians get it! lolz.

Not to mention that those Jesus's last words were very selfish, for he could only think about himself. He could have said "Oh no, so many people will be murdered and persecuted as 'christ-killers' after I die and this all gets written into antisemitic Gospels."

Or "Dad, why didn't I spend more time telling people about germs, diseases, cures and science and how to properly use it so that they can build better societies, instead of threatening them with eternal punishment".
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: If there is a God(s) it/they clearly don't want us to believe in them, no?
(April 4, 2020 at 1:54 pm)Editz Wrote: Ah yes, the "testing of faith" - that's a...novel one  Think

Reminds me for some reason of Jesus allegedly shouting out "Father! Why hast thou forsaken me!" while on the cross, like even he didn't understand his "father's" plan - stupid cunt that he was - millions of simple minded believing Christians get it! lolz.

What he supposedly said on the cross is the first line of Psalm 22. I'm also doubtful that this really happened, but the idea that the writer had is pretty clear. 

Supposedly Jesus wasn't strong enough at that moment to make a big speech, but by quoting the first line his followers will know the rest. The psalm says that even though things look bad now, God will win in the end. Arguably, the fact that Christianity became popular (and we're talking about it now) shows that he was right. 

I'm not saying it's all true, just that this is how Christians read it.

My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
    Why are you so far from saving me,
    so far from my cries of anguish?
My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
    by night, but I find no rest.[b]

Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
    you are the one Israel praises.[c]
In you our ancestors put their trust;
    they trusted and you delivered them.
To you they cried out and were saved;
    in you they trusted and were not put to shame.

But I am a worm and not a man,
    scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
All who see me mock me;
    they hurl insults, shaking their heads.
“He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
    “let the Lord rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
    since he delights in him.”

Yet you brought me out of the womb;
    you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.
10 From birth I was cast on you;
    from my mother’s womb you have been my God.

11 Do not be far from me,
    for trouble is near
    and there is no one to help.

12 Many bulls surround me;
    strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13 Roaring lions that tear their prey
    open their mouths wide against me.
14 I am poured out like water,
    and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
    it has melted within me.
15 My mouth[d] is dried up like a potsherd,
    and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
    you lay me in the dust of death.

16 Dogs surround me,
    a pack of villains encircles me;
    they pierce[e] my hands and my feet.
17 All my bones are on display;
    people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my clothes among them
    and cast lots for my garment.

19 But you, Lord, do not be far from me.
    You are my strength; come quickly to help me.
20 Deliver me from the sword,
    my precious life from the power of the dogs.
21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions;
    save me from the horns of the wild oxen.

22 I will declare your name to my people;
    in the assembly I will praise you.
23 You who fear the Lord, praise him!
    All you descendants of Jacob, honor him!
    Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!
24 For he has not despised or scorned
    the suffering of the afflicted one;
he has not hidden his face from him
    but has listened to his cry for help.

25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly;
    before those who fear you[f] I will fulfill my vows.
26 The poor will eat and be satisfied;
    those who seek the Lord will praise him—
    may your hearts live forever!

27 All the ends of the earth
    will remember and turn to the Lord,
and all the families of the nations
    will bow down before him,
28 for dominion belongs to the Lord
    and he rules over the nations.

29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship;
    all who go down to the dust will kneel before him—
    those who cannot keep themselves alive.
30 Posterity will serve him;
    future generations will be told about the Lord.
31 They will proclaim his righteousness,
    declaring to a people yet unborn:
    He has done it!
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RE: If there is a God(s) it/they clearly don't want us to believe in them, no?
(April 4, 2020 at 10:16 am)Editz Wrote: What with the whole yawning, gaping, cavernous absence of ANY actual evidence they exist, together with cot deaths, congenital birth defects, malaria, sickle cell anemia, tsunamis and a thousand million other things which amount to the suffering of (relative, at least) innocents. So, in a fortuitous twist of Pascal's wager, it seems to me that, if anybody is "saved," it is those who loudly spread atheism and disrespect/ridicule theism as in keeping with (if there are any) Gods' apparent wishes. How convenient!

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You’re clearly ignoring the physical evidence for God. It works like this:

1. Evolution is false, but

2. Fossils exist.

3. Since evolution is so obviously a plot by godless, homosexual, abortion-crazed atheists to destroy religion, we can surmise that

4. Fossils were planted by Satan to turn right-thinking people away from God.

5. Since Satan so clearly exists, we conclude that God must exist. QED.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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