RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
December 5, 2017 at 10:52 am
(This post was last modified: December 5, 2017 at 11:12 am by Catholic_Lady.)
(December 4, 2017 at 6:32 pm)wallym Wrote:(December 4, 2017 at 5:52 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It's really hard to answer that since I don't think any of us would be here at all if it weren't for a sort of higher force.
Honestly, I dont think so. As far as morality goes, while I believe in evolution and evolutionary behavior and all that, I still do think it was planned/foreseen to be this way. As you can recall, i believe in natural law. So I think nature and the way the world works is specifically designed with these moral laws in place, which is why we can discover them through logic and observation of our world. In other words, everything just seems "a little too perfect." If a God didn't exist and we really were just purely material accidents, i don't think things would be quite as ordered in terms of morality, knowing goodness from evil, etc. I can't really say how I think they would be like instead... perhaps more animalistic without an existance of good and evil? Just that I think things are the way they are as a result of an intelligent designer.
As for religion, I think the same principles apply. I can see how religion was a part of the evolutionary process and survival of the fittest, but I think it was designed to be that way, if you will.
So when the Norse are praying to Thor during a storm, do you think that's probably only possible because of a Christian God? I didn't consider you'd say no to the previous answer, so I'm working out the implications on the fly. In the face of unexplained frightening power, what would keep a mind capable of rational thought from considering the concept of something more? You find it intuitive, do you not think intuitivity could exist? Or is it that extra little jump in evolution in our brains, that you consider a little too perfect, that you blame for that, and you don't think we could get to these brains without a designer?
And when animals behave in a way that mimics morality, do you think it has anything to do with morality, or it's just instinctive?
To answer the question about Norse and Thor, yes.
Let me put it this way: I think it was no accident that the world is such that we evolved to have a natural inclination to believe in some sort of God(s). Just as I think it was no accident that we evolved to have a basic understanding of good and evil. I get that we naturally evolved to be that way, but my belief is that it was planned.
I'm not sure about intuitivity in general not existing... like I said, I can't really say how I think the world would be like if everything was just entirely accident and chance, and so I have no idea how we would have evolved to fit into such a world.
And again, this is a very difficult question to answer since I don't think anything would exist in the first place without God existing.
As far as animals go, I'm no animal expert, but as far as I understand it animals don't have moral awareness. They act on instinct. When I hear or see an animal being violent or cruel to another animal, I certainly don't think "Wow, what a shitty thing to do... that dog sure is super morally depraved." I suppose I could be wrong on that though.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh