List of reasons to believe God exists?

[Catholic_Lady]

Well first of all, from my understanding, when "slaves" are being referenced in that area/time period, they were actually people who owed some kind of debt and were working voluntarily in exchange for something. Not what we are talking about with kidnapping people and forcing them to work. But I digress...

As to your questions, you misunderstood my point. I wasn't trying to say whether subjective morality works or doesn't work in the sense of getting different results or whatever. My point was to show that we all still act as though morality is objective, even those of us who claim it isn't. That's what I meant. Example: A person can say morality is subjective and there is no real right and wrong or good and evil and it's all just a matter of opinion, etc etc... Yet that same person will still be completely furious at the notion of someone raping/torturing/killing innocent people. Heck people here get pissed off at Trump for wanting to prevent Mexicans from coming here illegally. If morality is completely subjective, then why get upset at someone merely having a different "opinion?" My opinion is that the best color is pink and the best food is sushi. Do I get pissed off at someone else saying they think pink is ugly and they don't like sushi? No. It doesn't work the same way with morality, regardless of how subjective and opinion based someone says it is. That person still acts as though rapists, terrorist, and Trump are objectively wrong and bad, not that they are merely people who just happen to have a different "opinion." I was trying to show that morality is a much deeper and more real thing than a subjective personal opinion.   

Do you think it's the gravity of morality maybe?  Like don't kill people is more weighty of a topic than pink is the best?  Like if our lives depended on picking Pink or Blue as the best color to show to the aliens to save humanity, you'd probably go to bat for pink pretty hard.  That's a sloppy analogy, but the gist of what I'm getting at is buried in there I think.

I don't see why it would be more weighty if it didn't effect me and if human life didn't have intrinsic value. Otherwise, why would I care so much about a woman being raped and then murdered by her family for being raped on the other side of the globe? I mean, there's empathy so from a purely emotional stand point I would feel sorry for her. But there would be no justifiable, rational reason for me to get really angry at the people who did that to her if I didn't concede that doing so was in fact wrong. But subjective morality people do anyway. (get really angry I mean)

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Only to the extent that nothing would exist in the first place so there would be nothing to "evolve" anyway. Does that answer your question?

So you have a lot of eggs in the 'there has to be a deity to get the ball rolling' basket.  It seems like your take on a lot of the other stuff isn't so much evidence for God, as things that fit the narrative.  (outside of the personal experience).

Like in Mafia, when you think someone is scum, and then you look through all their posts, and you make all these connections that fit perfectly.  But then you lynch them, and they weren't scum at all.  And there are a bunch of alternative explanations for all those things that seemed to fit perfectly.  Rather than 'proof', it was just one of many possible stories.

That's sort of what apologetics look like to me.  Suspect God is real.  Here's how that could be true.  But for you, the really tangible stuff seems to be Origins of the universe, and your personal experience.  

My brain is working a little slow so apologies if this thinking is a bit muddy.  I should have been an Atheist when I was 20.  I'd have liked to see what my mind back then could have come up with.

You mean like there's bias on my part in coming to the conclusion that God very possibly exists?