RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
December 5, 2017 at 1:59 pm
(This post was last modified: December 5, 2017 at 2:10 pm by henryp.)
(December 5, 2017 at 1:33 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:You get mad because you care about something, and someone hurt the something you care about. By hurting someone you care about, they are hurting you. So you get angry. That seems rational to me.(December 5, 2017 at 1:02 pm)wallym Wrote: Do you think it's the gravity of morality maybe? Like don't kill people is more weighty of a topic than pink is the best? Like if our lives depended on picking Pink or Blue as the best color to show to the aliens to save humanity, you'd probably go to bat for pink pretty hard. That's a sloppy analogy, but the gist of what I'm getting at is buried in there I think.
I don't see why it would be more weighty if it didn't effect me and if human life didn't have intrinsic value. Otherwise, why would I care so much about a woman being raped and then murdered by her family for being raped on the other side of the globe? I mean, there's empathy so from a purely emotional stand point I would feel sorry for her. But there would be no justifiable, rational reason for me to get really angry at the people who did that to her if I didn't concede that doing so was in fact wrong. But subjective morality people do anyway. (get really angry I mean)
Rationally, you may also know there's no reason for them to care about hurting you, but that doesn't mean you still shouldn't have a strong dislike for people and things that hurt you. Where and how you direct those emotions may vary on the logical scale, but it's an emotional response, so you'd expect that?
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As for human life's intrinsic value. What would you have a bigger emotional response to? News someone across the world got murdered, or one of your cats dying? If human value is intrinsic, shouldn't our reaction to human loss be constant? If my kid died, I'd be fucked up for years. But 1000's of other kids die every day, and I go about my business. I'm not exactly like everyone else. But I think that goes for most people. We certainly aren't paralyzed by the horror of the world. Most of us aren't giving up all our stuff and following Jesus. We shake our fist for a couple minutes, and then get back to it. If life has intrinsic value, it doesn't seem like it's very much.
(December 5, 2017 at 1:33 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: You mean like there's bias on my part in coming to the conclusion that God very possibly exists?
Maybe that's what I'm getting at. I'm not sure! It does seem like there's room for some confirmation bias.
On the big bang, I'm just not well read enough science wise. I wonder what those people think that are. If you are certain the big bang needs God, you'd expect them to be even more certain with their expertise?
I know Hawkins isn't but he could have some bias against a God what with the wheelchair stuff. I know a lot of old-timey folks were. I wonder what most modern physicists who look at the origins of the universe as their primary study say.
Would it worry you if they were predominantly skeptical on the Deity answer, when you're as convinced as you are that your knowledge of the big bang points towards a Deity?