(December 10, 2017 at 4:35 pm)Grandizer Wrote:(December 10, 2017 at 11:24 am)Hammy Wrote: I'm a presentist when it comes to REAL noumenological reality, and also a presentist when it comes to our naive experience, although it may seem to seem otherwise deep down things only seem present to us. Hence why we are capable of recognizing that our memories and thoughts of the future still happen in the present.
Science can redefine and study phenomenological reality, and see that eternalism seems to make sense in some sense. But science can never possibly ultimately touch 'REAL' noumenological reality otherwise it wouldn't be science.
Noumenological time can't have really began because the beginning of something is itself a temporal concept. It would be like asking what happened before time . . . which again makes no sense.
How would you address what theists argue in my OP from a presentist, no-beginning time, point of view?
I think they are confused. So what if an infinite universe means there is no beginning at all? Maybe there is no beginning.
Personally I believe existence is finite but eternal.
