(December 10, 2017 at 8:26 pm)Hammy Wrote:(December 10, 2017 at 5:03 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Finite in terms of?
Size.
Hmm, I might want to get back to you on that one at a later time.
Quote:Quote:Anyhow, forget universe and substitute it with existence, because as far as theists are concerned, not even existence (apart from their God) can be eternal. So if there was no beginning to time, how did we reach the present?
Yes, indeed, substitute it with existence.
The universe began but existence didn't. And existence as a whole MUST be eternal. And the universe can't be (if we assume the big bang is the beginning of it).
Quote:I know the theist side suffers major problems regardless, but Im curious about the presentist responses, or do you believe their argument is not worth response?
I think presentism is the only theory of time that ultimately makes sense if we put science aside (because I don't think science is relevant if we're talking about what something must be beyond our ability to test reality empirically).
Ok, but I don't feel like you're actually trying to address the objection that I've been stating to you on behalf of theists. Maybe it's lack of interest, or you're not prepared at this stage to address it? But I think I was pretty clear on what I was curious about.
