RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events
December 11, 2017 at 4:55 pm
(This post was last modified: December 11, 2017 at 5:31 pm by GrandizerII.)
(December 11, 2017 at 12:35 pm)SteveII Wrote:(December 11, 2017 at 12:12 pm)Grandizer Wrote: I dont know what makes a cause a cause as opposed to preceding event. Do you? I would love to hear what you have to say about this.
That said, let me say "yes" anyway. Whats the problem?
Your first sentence undermines the entire endeavor of science.
You articulated the problem very well to Hammy. How do you have the Dec 11 timeslice which is causally dependent on the previously ordered timeslice which is causally dependent on the previously ordered timeslice...forever? You are still postulating a past-infinite series of causes that can be ordered according to a causal principle (leaving time/temporal language out of it because it is irrelevant). This is the same logical impossibility you presented to Hammy.
No, its the not same because using the analogy of counting from infinity to an integer (or tracing the line from infinity to an integer) no longer applies to my view. It seems more like youre simply against actual infinities existing, regardless of whether all its contents eternally or already exists.
Hmm a lot to go through but important two weeks ahead. Ill let you guys take care of my thread in the meantime lol
While I'm still here, just a couple points I want to respond to:
Hammy is right about the logic of nothing not possibly existing. Zero apples is logically possible, but zero "everything" is not.
As for quantum "randomness", this is an unfortunate belief that arises from interpretations like the Copenhagen interpretation. The Many-Worlds interpretation is a logical interpretation of the quantum happenings and does not assume or imply that things are truly random. You just happen to experience one set of possibilities in this world, while in another world, a different set of possibilities are being experienced by "you". Randomness is an illusion under the MWI.