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Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events
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RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events
(December 11, 2017 at 4:55 pm)Grandizer Wrote:
(December 11, 2017 at 12:35 pm)SteveII Wrote: Your first sentence undermines the entire endeavor of science. 

You articulated the problem very well to Hammy. How do you have the Dec 11 timeslice which is causally dependent on the previously ordered timeslice which is causally dependent on the previously ordered timeslice...forever? You are still postulating a past-infinite series of causes that can be ordered according to a causal principle (leaving time/temporal language out of it because it is irrelevant). This is the same logical impossibility you presented to Hammy.

No, its the not same because using the analogy of counting from infinity to an integer (or tracing the line from infinity to an integer) no longer applies to my view. It seems more like youre simply against actual infinities existing, regardless of whether all its contents eternally or already exists.
I do affirm that it is impossible to have an infinite number of anything by successive addition (including causes). However, you are positing an eternal universe AND block time and saying you think this makes the most sense because of 'philosophy'. But here's the thing: isn't positing a 'brute fact' anything but philosophy? When you say you reason from 'philosophy', I think what you really mean is that you want to avoid  a beginning or a first cause and here is the intellectual price I am willing to pay.
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Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by Grandizer - December 10, 2017 at 2:49 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by brewer - December 10, 2017 at 9:12 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by brewer - December 10, 2017 at 9:22 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by chimp3 - December 10, 2017 at 9:45 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by chimp3 - December 10, 2017 at 9:20 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by Grandizer - December 10, 2017 at 10:02 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by Grandizer - December 11, 2017 at 10:26 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by SteveII - December 11, 2017 at 10:03 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by Grandizer - December 11, 2017 at 10:30 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by SteveII - December 11, 2017 at 10:58 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by Grandizer - December 11, 2017 at 11:11 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by SteveII - December 11, 2017 at 12:04 pm
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by henryp - December 11, 2017 at 11:21 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by Grandizer - December 11, 2017 at 11:44 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by Grandizer - December 11, 2017 at 12:12 pm
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by SteveII - December 11, 2017 at 12:35 pm
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by henryp - December 11, 2017 at 1:01 pm
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by SteveII - December 12, 2017 at 9:47 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by henryp - December 12, 2017 at 10:46 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by henryp - December 11, 2017 at 12:18 pm
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by Grandizer - December 11, 2017 at 12:25 pm
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by henryp - December 11, 2017 at 12:46 pm
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by henryp - December 11, 2017 at 10:21 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by henryp - December 11, 2017 at 1:08 pm
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by henryp - December 11, 2017 at 1:20 pm
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by henryp - December 11, 2017 at 4:07 pm

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