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Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events
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RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events
(December 11, 2017 at 4:55 pm)Grandizer Wrote: As for quantum "randomness", this is an unfortunate belief that arises from interpretations like the Copenhagen interpretation. The Many-Worlds interpretation is a logical interpretation of the quantum happenings and does not assume or imply that things are truly random. You just happen to experience one set of possibilities in this world, while in another world, a different set of possibilities are being experienced by "you". Randomness is an illusion under the MWI.

How is it determined which state the you in this universe experiences?

(December 12, 2017 at 9:47 am)SteveII Wrote:
(December 11, 2017 at 4:55 pm)Grandizer Wrote: No, its the not same because using the analogy of counting from infinity to an integer (or tracing the line from infinity to an integer) no longer applies to my view. It seems more like youre simply against actual infinities existing, regardless of whether all its contents eternally or already exists.
I do affirm that it is impossible to have an infinite number of anything by successive addition (including causes). However, you are positing an eternal universe AND block time and saying you think this makes the most sense because of 'philosophy'. But here's the thing: isn't positing a 'brute fact' anything but philosophy? When you say you reason from 'philosophy', I think what you really mean is that you want to avoid  a beginning or a first cause and here is the intellectual price I am willing to pay.

Some of this stuff is so fanciful, you might as well believe in a deity.
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Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by Grandizer - December 10, 2017 at 2:49 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by brewer - December 10, 2017 at 9:12 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by brewer - December 10, 2017 at 9:22 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by chimp3 - December 10, 2017 at 9:45 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by chimp3 - December 10, 2017 at 9:20 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by Grandizer - December 10, 2017 at 10:02 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by Grandizer - December 11, 2017 at 10:26 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by SteveII - December 11, 2017 at 10:03 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by Grandizer - December 11, 2017 at 10:30 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by SteveII - December 11, 2017 at 10:58 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by Grandizer - December 11, 2017 at 11:11 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by SteveII - December 11, 2017 at 12:04 pm
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by henryp - December 11, 2017 at 11:21 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by Grandizer - December 11, 2017 at 11:44 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by Grandizer - December 11, 2017 at 12:12 pm
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by SteveII - December 11, 2017 at 12:35 pm
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by henryp - December 11, 2017 at 1:01 pm
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by SteveII - December 12, 2017 at 9:47 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by henryp - December 12, 2017 at 10:46 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by henryp - December 11, 2017 at 12:18 pm
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by Grandizer - December 11, 2017 at 12:25 pm
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by henryp - December 11, 2017 at 12:46 pm
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by henryp - December 11, 2017 at 10:21 am
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by henryp - December 11, 2017 at 1:08 pm
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by henryp - December 11, 2017 at 1:20 pm
RE: Presentism and Infinite Chain of Past Events - by henryp - December 11, 2017 at 4:07 pm

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