RE: Men's Rights Movement
December 25, 2017 at 9:14 pm
(This post was last modified: December 25, 2017 at 9:16 pm by paulpablo.)
(December 25, 2017 at 8:07 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:(December 25, 2017 at 7:31 pm)SaStrike Wrote: I get fighting for making it legal. But fighting for it for other reasons like cultural and societal pressure is stupid. If majority of society thinks it's weird for men to do nursing then they think it's weird! (Unless you want to mind control the entire population into changing its opinion to suit your tastes?) Personally I don't see why women are pressured not to do engineering (went from a 50/50 split in high school to a like an 8-2 split in college, which I was not happy about)1. It's not mind control it's simply altering culture . Just like every other civil rights movement . You can pass all the laws you want . If the culture remains unchanged no progress will be made . And this has fuck all to do with tastes .
Anyway back to the point. Yes there are forms of "pressure" affecting men and women's (alphabetical order!) decisions but I don't get the control freak nature of the radical feminists and mra who want to mind control the whole world to fit their own insecurities and reasoning. For example some "feminists" who openly criticize women who want to be house wives. They just refuse to accept the choice and try to back track entire centuries of history to find a way to be a victim. Imagine how a house wife must feel when there are "feminists" shaming her for her decisions. That's oppression???
2. You confuse patriarchy with men . Patriarchy is not a evil group of men who are oppressing women. It's a cultural idea(often held by men and women ) that locks woman and men into a certain social context . Often to the detriment of both genders.
3. There may be 00000000000'1 percent of feminist who object to women being house wives .But it's not mainstream position by any stretch . And i point out there are more then enough MRA's who don't believe men should be stay at home dad's and will call them "Cucks" or "Manginia's " if they choose it .
4. As for this strawman of "radical feminists " it's just that a strawman . Woman 2 is figment of your imagination . And funny enough sounds a lot more like a typical poster at a AVFM just reverse the genders and the politics.
Quote:In terms of job roles there might be some valid criticism of unequal opportunity, but in cases of equal opportunity there'd still be unequal outcomes due to the difference in choices men and women make in their lifestyles.The life choices argument does not work . As i have said . Via the notion of cultural pressure in a broad social context . (Please note i'm not saying men are oppressing women neither are most mainstream modern feminists . Most men and women have no clue their in this dance and both are being hurt by it.)
Sorry to Strike and Paul if my tone seems hostile . It's nothing personal . Just a subject i have been deeply involved in both professionally and personally .
I don't take anything you've said personal.
My argument isn't that there is no involvement in cultural pressure in relation to choices.
But it's also that men and women do have different innate behavioral tendencies which would still result in different job choices. It's true that men and women exhibit different tendencies in a lot of areas such as violence, risk taking, becoming obsessive over different types of things in different ways, different levels of autism.
Going back to music production again, the higher rate of autism might account for the higher rate of males wanting to sit behind a computer staying awake for days obsessively looking over music related things such as samples and synths. But I do think part of the choice for men to do that is also cultural.
This isn't an argument about any particular job role or CEO statistics or to suggest sexism doesn't exist or anything of that kind of nature.
It's just an observation, and scientifically backed up, that the contribution of biology to the differences between males and females in terms of behavior isn't 0.
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