Men's Rights Movement

[Amarok]

Indeed if you were to remove the douchebags . The movement would have no star power. You also have to get the movement to decouple itself from the scummy PUA movement and MGTOW's . Oh and White Nationalists . Their is no real chance of that happening .

One could say the same about feminazis, etc. I'm sure MRAs say feminism isn't going to "decouple" itself from man-hating feminists and justify themselves the same way. It's clear from this thread alone that both sides are demonizing the other in much the same way Conservatives and Liberals do. Both have legitimate complaints, perhaps one more than the other, but that doesn't change that there are some issues with each label or at least "fringe" people using each label. It also doesn't change the fact that there are some feminists who adhere to a very (hu)man-friendly "code," so to speak, and there are MRAs who are just upset about something like prison sentences or losing their kids unfairly in court and don't hate women at all. Just as it's important to me not to use these labels for myself, I do try (not always successfully) to take each person who assumes one of these labels at face value, as individuals. "MRAs are all . . . " or "Feminists are all . . ." statements can never be accurate. I try not assume an MRA is a masochist until proven otherwise. I give feminists the same benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise.

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Every group has the right to advocate for its own rights in society.

Well put.

 Not even comparable 

Man hating feminists are a fringe group that have little actual power or influence in modern mainstream  feminism . For the MRA this is not the case . As many if not most of the heads of the movement(Paul Elms) or organizations that are it's main thrust (AVFM) both openly defend and openly associate  with the groups i mentioned. If men are actually concern about this stuff . The MRA are not movement is not for them. And there are better groups (like Good Men ). This is just the tired "BOTH SIDES " nonsense.

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Well put.

To bad the MRA do anything but .

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I agree with Shell B. Despite the sort of characters who might get involved in such efforts, there is nothing wrong with MRAs in principle. Every group has the right to advocate for its own rights in society.

I already brought up a group who does just that . Who are not the MRA . And don't rely heavily or defend creeps .

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Depends on where you're looking. I've found both to be both unsavory or savory depending on who I was talking to. Either way, the amount of gender-hating in each group isn't really relevant to my point that both MRAs and feminism would be more palatable/useful without it.

Not even comparable

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If truly want the greatest proof they don't care about men's rights . Go watch the videos of the "international men's issues  conference " in London . Turn it into a drinking game. Every time they blame women or feminists (or cultural marxists)  for something.  As opposed to coming up with solutions to the problems they say they care about .  Take a shot . Bonus points if you make it to the part where Paul Elms takes 6 minutes out of his lecture to chew out the FEMRA who spoke before him for daring to suggest women are not cause of all their problems . And then try and find her lecture on the AVFM website with rest of the videos (spoilers it's not there )

Oh and please say these people are just the fringe