Men's Rights Movement

[Thumpalumpacus]

Good luck with that. Women-hating in MRAs seems a lot more prevalent than does man-hating in feminist circles.

Depends on where you're looking. I've found both to be both unsavory or savory depending on who I was talking to. Either way, the amount of gender-hating in each group isn't really relevant to my point that both MRAs and feminism would be more palatable/useful without it.

Well, of course extremism reflects poorly on whatever movement they glom onto. I'm simply saying that in my experience, it's more rampant in MRAs than it is in feminism, as movements go. And it's not a matter of where I'm looking; it's a matter of people I run into, or know as friends, or have as family. I don't actively search out proponents or agitants on either side.

I generally dislike radicals of any stripe, but that doesn't mean all causes have an equal number of radicals. It seems to me that MRAs tend to be farther right than the broad swathe of feminists are to the left. In other words, the centers of gravity in those movements are not equivalent, balancing each other out, so far as I've seen. It seems to me that there are more moderate feminists than there are moderate MRAs.

Again, that's only my own experience, but it is an unculled sample.

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I agree with Shell B. Despite the sort of characters who might get involved in such efforts, there is nothing wrong with MRAs in principle. Every group has the right to advocate for its own rights in society.

Of course. That doesn't, however, mean that every cause is equal. Given the length and breadth of male social dominance, there seems to be a big mote/beam factor not being considered by MRA groups.

On the whole, I, as a white male, have things easier than so many other folks that rather than starting or joining a movement, I'm fine with working for equality for all. Call me crazy, right?

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I try not assume an MRA is a masochist until proven otherwise.

They're not "masochists". They're, in large part, apologists, making excuses rather than seeking solutions, it seems to me.

I referred earlier in this thread to my defense of my rights as a father, representing myself in court and in front of the mediator. The time I spent in the law library was well-spent. I did this in California, one of the most liberal states in the Union, and even without a lawyer I was able to secure my rights as a father.

i'm skeptical that doing this in another state, less-friendly to "feminazis", such as Texas or Nebraska or [fill in the blank] would result in my being treated worse.

Where there's a will, there's a way. But you have to want it. And I'm not sure MRAs want custody more than they want a nice, visible cross upon which they might climb.