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Has anyone met a Christian?
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RE: Has anyone met a Christian?
(January 5, 2018 at 9:09 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(January 5, 2018 at 9:18 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Christian simply means that you believe Jesus is the son of God who lived as a human among us and died and resurrected for us.

... anything beyond that just depends on denomination.

As for the New Testament stuff, very very few Christian denominations follow a completely literal interpretation of every single thing in the bible. Even New Testament. Christianity is not based on a word for word literal interpretation of every single thing written in the bible.

Yeah, the OP is trying to accuse us of not being True Christians which is ironic given that we get accused of the No true Scotsman fallacy regularly. And yet here we are being accused of being Not True Christians. And all those atheists that piled on? Yeah, they're just as bad.

My view is perhaps more nuanced than what I let on with my earlier comments. I didn't accuse *you* (or CL or anyone else) of not being a Christian. If it makes you feel any better, I disagree with the OP's assertion that not one Christian can be found anywhere. In fact, they're all over the place.

I get the impression *you* are someone who takes the commandments in the NT seriously. 

BTW, that's my personal way of discerning Christians from non-Christians. One doesn't have to follow it to the letter, but one ought to take the NT seriously even when it is inconvenient to do so. I don't consider my definition much different than CL's though (and I'll explain why below). By my definition, you are still a Christian even if you fail in every attempt to live up to the commandments in the NT--as long as you take them seriously.

Believe it or not, I've known Christians in my life. Like 90% of my friends are Christians. 

But, when push comes to shove, most of my friends wouldn't ask WWJD? (sometimes because they have good sense). In their minds, Christianity isn't a commitment. "Its a belief that Jesus is my lord and savior." 

This kind of thinking is what I call "Jesus Club" and, yes, I differentiate it from authentic Christian belief. The thing is, most religious establishments really push this "Jesus Club" nonsense because it gets asses in the pews, dollar bills on the collection plate, and more votes for whatever rapist de jour is on the Republican ticket. When you boil it down plainly to "I just believe Jesus is God" you divorce the religion from the commitments that correspond to that belief.

Let's look at CL's definition: "Christian simply means that you believe Jesus is the son of God who lived as a human among us and died and resurrected for us."

If someone really thinks that is true, then they ought to be inclined to behave as the meek but righteous light-givers Jesus describes in the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus offers tough imperatives (when a man strikes you, offer the other cheek etc.), and I don't fault any individual for not living up to them. 

People who go around beating their chests chanting "Ra Ra! My clan over your clan! Poor people are deadbeats! Fuck the gays and other outcasts! Deport foreigners because they're taking what's ours!" are not followers of the man who preached the Sermon on the Mount and told the parable of the Good Samaritan.

I'm not boiling this down to political views, I'm just saying-- beliefs are accompanied by corresponding actions. If I have a belief that it's going to rain today, that belief might prompt the corresponding action of me bringing my umbrella along. Similarly, if a Christian has the belief that Jesus is Lord and he will reward them according to their deeds, this ought to prompt corresponding actions. But for sooooooooo many Christians it doesn't. It never has, and it never will. To sooooooo many Christians its "I told Pastor Bill that I love Jesus now fuck off and let me get what's mine." Excuse me, but that's not Christian belief.

To me these so-called Christians are atheists. I'm just more honest about my atheism. To return to the OP, yes, I have met real Christians-- plenty of them. But I've met enough false ones to conclude that one's simply calling oneself a Christian doesn't mean shit.

I would be out of line bringing this up if "Christians" didn't so often tie themselves to their own purity and idealism in order to hoist themselves into demagoguery. The fact is, I have a great amount of respect for a person who bears the yoke of forbearance espoused by Christ in the New Testament. I try to comport myself in a similar way but for different reasons. Regardless of the fact that I disagree with them about the existence of their God, anyone who is motivated to help others has earned my admiration. Believing in something one thing, striving to attain the ideals of that belief is another. Hence why (IMO) some people are true Christians, and others are not.
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Has anyone met a Christian? - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 3, 2018 at 8:13 pm
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by SaStrike - January 3, 2018 at 8:17 pm
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by vorlon13 - January 3, 2018 at 8:19 pm
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Neo-Scholastic - January 3, 2018 at 8:47 pm
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Anomalocaris - January 4, 2018 at 1:09 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 4, 2018 at 8:03 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 9, 2018 at 9:31 pm
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 10, 2018 at 8:33 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by brewer - January 3, 2018 at 8:49 pm
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by tjakey - January 3, 2018 at 9:22 pm
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by vorlon13 - January 4, 2018 at 12:03 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by LadyForCamus - January 4, 2018 at 12:07 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by drfuzzy - January 4, 2018 at 1:00 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by The Grand Nudger - January 4, 2018 at 1:08 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by vorlon13 - January 4, 2018 at 5:02 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by John V - January 4, 2018 at 8:25 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Minimalist - January 4, 2018 at 11:45 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by vorlon13 - January 5, 2018 at 12:22 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 4, 2018 at 5:16 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Mister Agenda - January 4, 2018 at 11:07 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Mr.Obvious - January 4, 2018 at 11:10 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by John V - January 4, 2018 at 12:26 pm
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Minimalist - January 4, 2018 at 12:32 pm
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Mermaid - January 4, 2018 at 12:30 pm
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 4, 2018 at 12:57 pm
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Mermaid - January 4, 2018 at 1:24 pm
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 4, 2018 at 1:33 pm
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Mermaid - January 4, 2018 at 1:38 pm
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 4, 2018 at 2:04 pm
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Rev. Rye - January 4, 2018 at 12:45 pm
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by The Grand Nudger - January 5, 2018 at 12:50 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Godscreated - January 5, 2018 at 1:39 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 5, 2018 at 6:18 am
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RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Godscreated - January 7, 2018 at 11:47 pm
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Grandizer - January 8, 2018 at 12:44 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by drfuzzy - January 8, 2018 at 1:34 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Godscreated - January 9, 2018 at 2:26 am
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RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Haipule - January 9, 2018 at 2:37 pm
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RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Mermaid - January 9, 2018 at 9:38 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Godscreated - January 9, 2018 at 10:43 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 9, 2018 at 10:48 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Mermaid - January 9, 2018 at 10:49 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Godscreated - January 9, 2018 at 10:52 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Mermaid - January 9, 2018 at 10:57 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Godscreated - January 10, 2018 at 12:44 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by drfuzzy - January 10, 2018 at 1:50 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Godscreated - January 10, 2018 at 7:40 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 9, 2018 at 10:59 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by drfuzzy - January 10, 2018 at 12:56 pm
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Godscreated - January 11, 2018 at 2:48 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by drfuzzy - January 11, 2018 at 10:46 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Godscreated - January 12, 2018 at 3:48 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by drfuzzy - January 12, 2018 at 1:52 pm
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Godscreated - January 13, 2018 at 2:01 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Grandizer - January 13, 2018 at 2:51 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Godscreated - January 13, 2018 at 3:22 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by DodosAreDead - January 13, 2018 at 5:13 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Godscreated - January 13, 2018 at 6:07 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by DodosAreDead - January 14, 2018 at 6:34 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Godscreated - January 14, 2018 at 1:29 pm
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Mermaid - January 13, 2018 at 11:22 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 13, 2018 at 11:25 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by drfuzzy - January 13, 2018 at 12:35 pm
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RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Edwardo Piet - January 14, 2018 at 1:57 pm
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Mermaid - January 11, 2018 at 12:31 pm
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Godscreated - January 12, 2018 at 2:05 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Mermaid - January 12, 2018 at 8:33 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Angrboda - January 9, 2018 at 5:37 pm
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 6, 2018 at 10:54 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Mermaid - January 5, 2018 at 11:19 am
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Catholic_Lady - January 5, 2018 at 9:18 am
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RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Catholic_Lady - January 5, 2018 at 11:11 am
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RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Neo-Scholastic - January 5, 2018 at 9:09 pm
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RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Neo-Scholastic - January 6, 2018 at 5:49 am
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RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Catholic_Lady - January 5, 2018 at 3:08 pm
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 5, 2018 at 5:34 pm
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RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 5, 2018 at 6:03 pm
RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by The Grand Nudger - January 5, 2018 at 2:46 pm
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RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Catholic_Lady - January 5, 2018 at 6:09 pm
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RE: Has anyone met a Christian? - by Grandizer - January 9, 2018 at 10:11 am
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