RE: Kid dies
January 8, 2018 at 6:52 pm
(This post was last modified: January 8, 2018 at 6:53 pm by Angrboda.)
(January 8, 2018 at 2:26 pm)Drich Wrote:(January 6, 2018 at 3:16 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: I was thinking about this earlier. Heaven and hell are a manifestation of the imagination of people who recognize that the world isn't fair, and can't accept it. They are completely unable to accept reality as it is, and so they imagine a reality in which everybody gets what they deserve. But the people who thought it up were primitive people, with primitive ideas about justice. To them, their enemies deserved the worst punishment imaginable, and the good people deserve the best results possible. It's stupid and absurd. But modern religious people are shackled to the past, and so they endorse such infantile fantasies.
And for those (like the writers of the bible) who do not describe Heaven and Hell as being about what is or is not fair? Even Christ in the parable of the workers (where a land owner goes out several different times and highers workers throughout the day) and at the end they all get the very same reward/which was unfair for the very first workers.
This has fuckall to do with whether or not heaven and hell were or were not conceived as cosmic equalizers.
(January 8, 2018 at 2:26 pm)Drich Wrote: Heaven has Christ taught it was often time at odds with the soceity's heigharchy on what was fair and not fair. The prime example being one could not hold a grudge or have ill will towards another even if that person sinned aginst him. The parable of the unmerciful servant shows us that if we seek vengence for being treated wrongly and will not forgive another who sinned against us, we in turn are endanger of loosing our own salvation. This was a very counter culture idea at the time and one you seemed to miss as well in your deep thoughts sessions.
The parable of the unmerciful servant even underscores the point that heaven and hell were cosmic equalizers by pointing out in its last line that, if you don't be good little children, you'll get yours in the end, from God himself. Whether or not Christ taught some things that ran counter to contemporary standards of morality has fuckall to do with the main point I wrote about in my original post. Next time you decide to sneer about my "deep thoughts," try not to be talking irrelevant bullshit at the time.
(January 8, 2018 at 2:26 pm)Drich Wrote: Not to mention the idea of Hell was new, and who went to Hell did not always included enmies, but loved ones as well. often times believers would have to choose their God over their family member. This too is very counter the cut and dry veiw of a simplistic/primitive man heaven or hell. Rather this is what moder people believe Heaven and hell are about rather than what the bible teaches. It is a way for the 'superior mind' to straw man their way past the subject rather than try and explain what is written on page concerning heaven or hell
Yeah, more irrelevant twaddle from the mouth that loves to hear itself talk. Jesus preached a message which in some ways may have undermined traditional alliances in society. What he didn't do was preach a novel message about heaven and hell being equalizers. And here you are sneering again, when your mouth is full of shit. And no, heaven and hell weren't new teachings, they date to before Christ. So this again, in addition to being simply wrong, has fuckall to do with what I originally wrote.
(January 8, 2018 at 2:26 pm)Drich Wrote:(January 7, 2018 at 3:51 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
Romans 10:8-9, NASB
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Who (not what) is "the word." As in John 1:1 forward. The "Word" is another name for Jesus. so substitute "The word" with JEsus and you get 8 But what does it say? “Jesus is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is,Jesus by faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
So IF Jesus is Near you, in your mouth (you speak about him) nd in your Heart/you think and lng to be with Him) you teach him, then if you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus is Lord then... you will be saved.
Takes on a new meaning when you understand who the word is, and again John 1:1 forward defines who the word is.
The Greek word in John is "Logos", which does not appear anywhere in the passage from Romans which I quoted. The passage was originally written in Greek. Performing a search and replace based upon the English translation of the passage simply results in garbage. Whatever point you were trying to make here has been spoiled by the fact that you're an ignorant moron who didn't realize he was talking complete crap. Your substitutions simply aren't valid for the original text. Moreover, like your earlier "contributions," this has fuckall to do with the point I was making.