Kid dies

[Drich]

And for those (like the writers of the bible) who do not describe Heaven and Hell as being about what is or is not fair? Even Christ in the parable of the workers (where a land owner goes out several different times and highers workers throughout the day) and at the end they all get the very same reward/which was unfair for the very first workers.

This has fuckall to do with whether or not heaven and hell were or were not conceived as cosmic equalizers.

Again I beg to differ and appearently so does the parable and the one that told it. If you read the parable it clear points out that the 'fairness of heaven has little to do with what man believes is fair. Matter of fact those who worked for the same pay from the very beginning of the day did not like they were paid the same as those who worked only a few hours at the end of the day. The lesson being is Heaven is not about being the great equalizer, but the venue where God can show his great generosity and mercy to those who do not deserve it.

One of your peer pointed out that jeffery dalmer will know the inside of heaven before scores of "moral" atheist. Again how is this 'equal or fair?" It is not, nor is it meant to be. Which put the concept of the biblical based heaven outside the minds of primitive man as most (even today ) do not completely comprehend it. As a peron who does not understand heaven would wrongfully assume all the goodies go there and the baddies goto Hell.

When in fact Heaven's population will only consist of those who can admit that they are a 'baddie' while Hell will over flow with people who see themselves and others like them as 'good moral people.'

Again how is heaven fair when it is the sinner who knows Jesus gains it and and not one 'good person' will ever step foot in it without Christ?

Heaven has Christ taught it was often time at odds with the soceity's heigharchy on what was fair and not fair. The prime example being one could not hold a grudge or have ill will towards another even if that person sinned aginst him. The parable of the unmerciful servant shows us that if we seek vengence for being treated wrongly and will not forgive another who sinned against us, we in turn are endanger of loosing our own salvation. This was a very counter culture idea at the time and one you seemed to miss as well in your deep thoughts sessions.

The parable of the unmerciful servant even underscores the point that heaven and hell were cosmic equalizers by pointing out in its last line that, if you don't be good little children, you'll get yours in the end, from God himself.

 What you fail to see is that vengence was the right given under the law at the time. (An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth.) there was nothing wrong with it till Christ said we must forgive as we have been forgiven.
Which again ran counter to what was right and wrong at the time. Even now one can make a case for retrbution or even reperations with all the law suits and litigation we employ in the pursuit of Justice..

Simply forgiving others is very counter intuitive to the 'right and wrong process.

Whether or not Christ taught some things that ran counter to contemporary standards of morality has fuckall to do with the main point I wrote about in my original post.  Next time you decide to sneer about my "deep thoughts," try not to be talking irrelevant bullshit at the time.

What a load of crap. You want to talk about Asgard, but ignore Thor's description of it for your own mis informed predetermined closed minded view of it. How does that work in an intellectuall honest conversation? Heaven as described by Christ is cannon and therfore trumps your BS. what do you not get about that? If Christ says or is recorded in saying Heaven is ABC then you have no authority in telling people heaven is efg... If you presist in the face of cannon with your efg claim, then know it is you who is off topic and is described some fan fiction version of Heaven.

If that's the case then just make that anoucement in your post. Fan fiction thoughts concerning :"heaven" Then I nor Jesus has any say in your little world view of heaven. and how your heaven is the great right-er of all wrongs.

Not to mention the idea of Hell was new, and who went to Hell did not always included enemies, but loved ones as well. often times believers would have to choose their God over their family member. This too is very counter the cut and dry view of a simplistic/primitive man heaven or hell. Rather this is what modern people believe Heaven and hell are about rather than what the bible teaches. It is a way for the 'superior mind' to straw man their way past the subject rather than try and explain what is written on page concerning heaven or hell

Yeah, more irrelevant twaddle from the mouth that loves to hear itself talk.   Jesus preached a message which in some ways may have undermined traditional alliances in society.  

In what way did Jesus teach that was in line with society? Everything was different. Soceity then taught (as you do now) based on its version of morality and goodness. Christ taught atonement which throws the 'morality book' in the garbage. Soceity taught good people went on to the resurrection while bad people stayed in the grave. Jesus taught His followers would inherrit eternal life and those he did not know would be sent to Hell. Good or bad did not play into the equation.

What he didn't do was preach a novel message about heaven and hell being equalizers.

Which is what I've been saying sport. your the one that believes heaven and hell to be an equalizer. and I was using the authority of Jesus and what he said about heaven to trump your version of it.

 And here you are sneering again, when your mouth is full of shit.  And no, heaven and hell weren't new teachings, they date to before Christ.  So this again, in addition to being simply wrong, has fuckall to do with what I originally wrote.  

Again if you are doing a 'report' on fan fiction then simply label it as such otherwise know it is open to correction when you seem to be 'misinformed' and spout misinformation that is well established biblically.

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Who (not what) is "the word." As in John 1:1 forward. The "Word" is another name for Jesus. so substitute "The word" with JEsus and you get 8 But what does it say? “Jesus is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is,Jesus by faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

So IF Jesus is Near you, in your mouth (you speak about him) nd in your Heart/you think and lng to be with Him)  you teach him, then if you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus is Lord then... you will be saved.

Takes on a new meaning when you understand who the word is, and again John 1:1 forward defines who the word is.

The Greek word in John is "Logos", which does not appear anywhere in the passage from Romans which I quoted.  The passage was originally written in Greek.  Performing a search and replace based upon the English translation of the passage simply results in garbage.   Whatever point you were trying to make here has been spoiled by the fact that you're an ignorant moron who didn't realize he was talking complete crap.  Your substitutions simply aren't valid for the original text.   Moreover, like your earlier "contributions," this has fuckall to do with the point I was making.

and in Romans 10:8 the word used is:
rhēma
a saying of any sort, as a message, a narrative: concerning some occurrence, λαλεῖν τό ῤῆμα περί τίνος, Luke 2:17; ῤῆμα τῆς πίστεως, the word of faith, i. e. concerning the necessity of putting faith in Christ, Romans 10:8; a promise, Luke 1:38; Luke 2:29; καλόν Θεοῦ ῤῆμα, God's gracious, comforting promise (of salvation), Hebrews 6:5 (see καλός, c.); καθαρίσας... ἐν ῤήματι, according to promise (properly, on the ground of his word of promise, viz. the promise of the pardon of sins; cf. Mark 16:16), Ephesians 5:26 (others take ῤήματι here as equivalent to 'the gospel,' cf. Ephesians 6:17, Romans 10:8; (see Meyer at the passage)); the word by which something is commanded, directed, enjoined

Which changes the meaning of logos ( a record of what was done) to A promise yet to be full filled (BY THE SAME GUY)

Nothing changes in my point sportress, as Christ is still the 'Word' we must have in our hearts and on our toungues in order for us to be in a place to make that simple confession. meaning (Rather than Christ Himself if you use the John 1:1 defination as I did, You with the word rhēma get the promise Christ made... is in your words, acts and faith will buy you eternal life if you simply call out to Him.

You were so quick to 'rightly divide' the word you failed to see how it all fits together.