(January 9, 2018 at 3:21 pm)SteveII Wrote:That's fine Steve, and I accept than many Christians are on board with you. But, anecdotally I have met Christians that say they have no moral compass unless corrected by the atoning blood of Christ.(January 9, 2018 at 1:40 pm)JackRussell Wrote: The whole sin concept makes little sense to me. I can obviously agree we all do good and bad and neutral things in our life On any bell-curve there will be variants between all-good to all-bad actions and most of us live in the curve, not at the extremes.
I am less likely to do bad things, as I am older and have learnt how my behaviour impacts on all around me. Yet, I can still be mistaken in my interactions and make poor choices.
God seems exempt fro our daily grind to try to do the best we can. An omniscient being should be able to be a positive influence at any point and should present a congruent moral reality; we don't see that in holy books or reality.
Psychopaths and sociopaths, great moral teachers and educators have always existed. Gods don't seem to solve the problem. Primate and social animal evolution does though.
I find sin very confusing, and the idea that we are all evil and have no moral compass is demonstrably false.
Christians do not think "that we are all evil and have no moral compass". That's a straw man argument. In fact it's the opposite. There is an entire natural theology argument that starts with the premise that everyone believes in moral truths. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxiAikEk2vU&t=9s
I wasn't trying to present a straw-man, but it is difficult for those of us outside to recognise what is true to your beliefs when their is little homogeny.
My main problem is that sin is an inconsistent idea, whilst evolutionary behaviour and aberrant behaviours can be explained naturally, albeit imperfectly.
Sin is a religious construct to me. Actions are available to moral interpretation without any God required.