(January 10, 2018 at 3:14 pm)Whateverist Wrote:(January 10, 2018 at 1:22 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Has anyone ever actually claimed that Dahmer is in Heaven? I see this come up quite often here, yet have never seen any Christian actually say they believe he is. Seems a bit strawman.
Steve's claim "god is working on the heart" of Christians even as they go on sinning for those who truly seek to give up their sinful ways doesn't amount to much of difference to the people who encounter someone like that. I have no idea what Dahmer's actual religious affiliation was, it was a hypothetical case. But my bigger point is that the there is no substantial difference between a morally monstrous xtian or atheist. What 'God' may be doing in the 'heart' of a xtian 'sinner' is of no consequence to the new victims of the moral monster in either case, and whatever it means for the pie in the sky place is only relevant to those drinking that kool aid.
Your complaint seem that you think that Christianity gives you a license to sin. It does not because if we are trying to have a relationship with God, intentional sin (especially of the type that you are zeroing in on--the ones that affect other people) is simply not compatible with that desire so one must give. If we cease to desire to have a relationship with God and continue to have an unrepentant attitude about our sins, IMO, you are in traveling down a continuum where at some point God knows your heart and you will lose your salvation (yes, that is what I believe the NT clearly teaches).
So, conflict solved. There are no such thing as "morally monstrous xtians".
