(January 10, 2018 at 4:34 pm)JackRussell Wrote:(January 10, 2018 at 4:31 pm)SteveII Wrote: Your complaint seem that you think that Christianity gives you a license to sin. It does not because if we are trying to have a relationship with God, intentional sin (especially of the type that you are zeroing in on--the ones that affect other people) is simply not compatible with that desire so one must give. If we cease to desire to have a relationship with God and continue to have an unrepentant attitude about our sins, IMO, you are in traveling down a continuum where at some point God knows your heart and you will lose your salvation (yes, that is what I believe the NT clearly teaches).
So, conflict solved. There are no such thing as "morally monstrous xtians".
And so in contrast, a morally upright Atheist, honest in their questions about the big questions, does not deserve eternal punishment, right?
The eternal punishment has nothing to do with how moral you are in your life. I posted this earlier in this thread:
Sin creates a barrier (because of God's essential holiness) and an obligation to satisfy (because of God's essential justice). The choice is to leave the barrier in place and pay for the consequences defined by God's justice OR accept that he has provided a method to remove each person's individual barrier and satisfy the justice. To be clear, absent outside help, there is nothing we are capable of doing that can remove the barrier and the only satisfaction of divine justice is our death. The only way both the barrier could removed and the satisfaction of justice could be accomplished is if God himself removed the barrier and satisfied the justice by paying for our sins prior to our death and imparting holiness on us in the process. https://atheistforums.org/post-1683883.html#pid1683883
Your objection about how deserving someone is because of a otherwise moral life only illustrates that you do not understand the belief you are complaining about. Follow the discussion from the beginning. Ask if you do not understand my answers.