Trolley Problem/Consistency in Ethics

[The Grand Nudger]

Value is subjective but nevertheless we have this value that cannot be separated from us because of who assigned us the value.

You are not describing an intrinsic value, then.  Simple as that.

In addition, made in the image of God is full of meaning including free will, ability to reason, emotions, ability to have meaningful relationships, a sense of morality, a sense of justice, a sense of aesthetics, a sense of self-sacrifice, a desire for meaning/purpose, etc. 

Oh, is -that- what that means?  At least we cleared that up (we didn't clear that up)...but it's not like it matters.  The value you're describing is not intrinsic to human beings. You can believe in that value all you like, but it would probably help to understand what sort of value that is, otherwise you'll keep saying silly things...and who wants to do that when flogging their Totally Not Silly™ beliefs?

Then tell me, at what exact point in evolutionary history did we move from the law of survival of the fittest to that of having intrinsic value that supersede the process that got us to that point and HOW exactly did that work? It sure seems that by definition, you cannot evolve intrinsic value.

Are you asking me when we began to express that understanding?  By at least 40-50k years ago...just a -tad- bit earlier than any christ stories. Full modernity.

Meanwhile, I;m still here, still a hard naturalist, and I still advocate for intrinsic value that's...well...intrinsic. You can continue to say silly things...but that won't make them any more true or less silly than the first time you said them.

Sure, christian thought had an influence on western society. A greatly retarding influence. It was only through and after the dissolution of that influences authority and a return to pre-christian values and thinking that the western world began to look like the western world you know. You;re entitled to your own beloiefs (not a christian value, since we're on the subject)..but you are not entitled to your own facts (also something that christianity has issues with).

You believe that we have god value.....I contend that, no, we don't have god value, we have intrinsic value. A value properly belonging to us, and nothing to do with fairy tales. I think it's unfortunate that people refer to your misapprehensions and then conclude..on account of how hilariously wrong -you- are...that we don;t have a sort of value you neither believe in nor advocate for. Isn't that ironic, and isn't it nice that there's a creature in the world...capable of recognizing irony? Otherwise it would all be wasted.