RE: Trolley Problem/Consistency in Ethics
January 28, 2018 at 1:10 pm
(This post was last modified: January 28, 2018 at 1:33 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 28, 2018 at 9:54 am)SteveII Wrote: I am if the the value comes from the purpose for which we were made.Still missing wildly. God value by way of utility is still not intrinsic value. I get that you believe that this is the sort of value we have. I'm simply pointing out that it's not intrinsic value, and that it's a good thing we have intrinsic value, since..if we needed god value by similarity or utility...we don't have any of that.
Quote:Vague. I asked HOW. Did we always have value and we just discovered it one day? What separates us from any other organism in this question of value?
We're not really sure how it is we reached full modernity. We'd been anatomically modern for some time by then. For all we know we'd thought as much for far longer, but didn't express it in a way that would be well preserved for us to find today. Nothing "separates us" from any other creature with intrinsic value, at least on the question of value. That's sort of bound up in what it means to have an intrinsic value. We may be different in how we express it, or even in the understanding of the concept - though I note that you're not really much different from a beetle on that count....but, otherwise, nada.
In any case, it may be that one day we simply "discovered it" sure. There are a great many things whose value we never fully understood, even though we had always known of them. This is never more apparent than in the utilitarian value of things. Notably, and in context..one of the ways that we can see that by full modernity we had an encompassing sense of the value of human beings is in the shiny trinkets and baubbles we began to deposit with the dead. Those people saw a value in those things, but they never understood that those things had far greater value than they posessed as trinkets and baubbles. We wouldn't know that until recent (and living) memory.
Similarly, it may be that christians such as yourself only see a utilitarian god value in human beings...but I hope that someday christians as a demographic discover what some of us already know..that we have intrinsic value, wholly apart from and greater than the plans of various ghosts and djinn regardless of their existence.
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