(January 30, 2018 at 2:11 pm)Astreja Wrote:(January 30, 2018 at 12:19 pm)SteveII Wrote: But if a place had to be created that was separate from God as a result of our sins in light of God's essential (as in could not have been any other way) perfect holiness/justice, then who is responsible for such a place existing?
Well, *I* didn't create such a place.
And what good is "holiness/justice" if it requires existing in isolation from anything that might sully it?
Also: how can the sin of flawed, temporary, lesser creatures actually sully something that's inherently perfect in the first place?
We're living in a universe that's ~13.8 billion years old, with countless galaxies in it. Inside those galaxies are even more stars, and orbiting those stars (not all of them, but still a shit ton) are even more planets and moons. In almost every respect, we are insignificant. We are small, fragile, flawed creatures living on a tiny ball of water and mud in the boonies of our own galaxy, in the midst of utter vastness. And we're supposed to believe that the creature that purportedly built all of it has a vested interest in what we do and how we do it. That our actions - whatever they may be - have the potential to so negatively impact this magnificent creator being that it created a place/state of being for us to go that is eternally torturous out of necessity.
It's batshit insane. And pretty obviously the cosmology of an ancient people whose ideas of justice and morality were as savage as the times in which they lived.
Now, I'm sure at least one person will claim "argument from incredulity fallacy!" However, I believe my incredulity is justified here. We have ample evidence of the universe, it's sheer size, and we're getting a clearer idea of just how many rocky bodies there are (there's a NASA press conference every few months detailing new planets we've found in our own interstellar backyard). There's absolutely no evidence of hell, nor of souls, or sin as an actual force.