RE: Do I believe Atheists are going to hell?
January 31, 2018 at 11:58 am
(This post was last modified: January 31, 2018 at 12:00 pm by polymath257.)
(January 31, 2018 at 11:39 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:(January 30, 2018 at 7:52 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'm not sure what transcendent good means, tbh. I googled it but didn't really come up with an explanation.
I'm using the word in contrast to immanent. The Good that exists beyond any individual subject or particular circumstances. This, as opposed to what appears to us at some given time and place as good for any one person, group of people, or even all of humanity. The latter is self-referential; the former is not.
Why would you think there is 'Good' outside of what humanity requires?
Morality is about how people interact with others. That's it. Not an aspect of the universe at large, nor even anything (yet) off this small planet. Well, unless there are other intelligent social species in the universe.
(January 31, 2018 at 11:53 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:(January 31, 2018 at 11:48 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: Agreed. Plus that, some atheists do believe that morality is objective-- so you theists don't have a monopoly on that by any stretch.
And such proposed foundations for objective morality are open to the same level of scrutiny at theistic proposals. I personally find them them rare, inadequate and poorly grounded. YMMV
(January 31, 2018 at 11:52 am)polymath257 Wrote: And why would anyone other than a child believe this?
It requires someone to examine their life and honestly assess if he or she perfectly exemplifies the absolute best of what he or she could be. If you believe you have been, are now and always will be perfect then of course you won't see your need for a Savior.
And why would I need a savior simply because I don't always live up to 'perfection' (or, for that matter, even my own standards)? I expect people (including me) to be human, which means we make mistakes and, hopefully, learn from them.
I don't see why a 'savior' is required.