Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: December 4, 2024, 5:16 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Consciousness causes higher entropy compared to unconscious states in the human brain
#13
RE: Consciousness causes higher entropy compared to unconscious states in the human brain
What you quoted *doesn't* give the threshold for determining the matrix B, which replaces values below the threshold by 0 and above by 1 (which is, in and of itself, a very suspect practice). What value for the synchrony index was chosen for the threshold? They never say.

Sorry, but a sample size of 9 people doesn't demonstrate anything. Too much variation. It doesn't invalidate the results, but it doesn't lend them any support either. In other words, the paper is a null.

I didn't say that Shannon entropy prevents anything. It is simply irrelevant given the naiveté of the model used. This is a one-parameter model. The only thing relevant is the number of activated pairs (and there need be no actual connection to show up as 'connected': only correlation is used). The entropy is simply related to that number. But so are many, many other values, like the mean value.

The compression rationale only shows that the authors don't understand what they are doing. A binomial distribution assumption (their [Np]), will have increasing 'entropy' until p=N/2 and decreasing entropy for larger values of p. This is trivially basic. Their obfuscation is noted.

Stirlings formula is reasonable to use in statistical mechanics, where the N value is on the order of Avagadro's number and the number of different states is similarly large. Here, the number of pairs is only 10,296 and the p value used is just the number of activated pairs. A simple normal distribution is both easier to use and more informative.

Yes, I am very aware of Stirling's formula and how it is used in statistical mechanics and information theory. In essence, the model in the paper is a two-state model (on, off) on the pairs.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: Consciousness causes higher entropy compared to unconscious states in the human brain - by polymath257 - January 31, 2018 at 4:11 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Human brain activity during stone tool production. The Grand Nudger 6 1709 May 2, 2018 at 9:26 pm
Last Post: Fireball
  Entropy/lose the math, need laypersons def.. Brian37 21 3582 January 13, 2018 at 11:20 pm
Last Post: polymath257
  Electromagnetic waves cause brain cancer ? Marsellus Wallace 26 5781 January 27, 2016 at 8:47 pm
Last Post: Fireball
  Atheism/Theism and Left/Right Brain? bambi_swag 11 4931 October 4, 2015 at 7:24 am
Last Post: robvalue
  Thoughts on a multiverse/consciousness Gessle 32 7719 February 14, 2015 at 4:21 pm
Last Post: Alex K
  Please Help Me Understand Consciousness Mudhammam 17 3435 March 25, 2014 at 2:08 am
Last Post: Mudhammam
  Does Matter Create Consciousness? Or Vice Versa? Mudhammam 24 7246 January 2, 2014 at 11:39 am
Last Post: Mudhammam
  Brain Cells and the Universe FallentoReason 31 15447 February 8, 2013 at 12:05 pm
Last Post: Zone
  How to measure consciousness? The_Flying_Skeptic 3 2370 November 27, 2011 at 7:06 am
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Origins of consciousness Mal Kiever 15 3902 November 12, 2011 at 9:27 am
Last Post: KichigaiNeko



Users browsing this thread: 2 Guest(s)